Keyboard Warrior
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Jun 24, 2012 21:41:08 GMT -5
Back in my Kenpo days, we implimented alot of parrying motions. Parrying served as a way to block incoming strikes.
If you don't know what a parry is, skip to 0:45
I'm wondering how much you guys think, it would be applicable in a real fight. Any of you parried strikes in a fight and were successful? Personally, despite it being a major component of my style way back in the day, I can't say I ever even thought about it, so I never used it.
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Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 24, 2012 22:00:27 GMT -5
I parry a lot it's different than a lot of people thing though like I use my parries more as strikes to hit the other persons arm away as opposed to get my arm smashed up with a good punch.
I used to cover up since I started in muay thai & boxing but I got punched in the funny bone in bare knuckle sparring once and my arm died and I was screwed and I started to learn parries which are part of boxing anyway I just didn't know since I was a rookie.
Also I think you have to be fast to follow up with a counter attack right when you parry too or your left open for attack.
Here's the mma outlook on it by bas rutten
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talon
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Post by talon on Jun 25, 2012 4:32:00 GMT -5
In Zen Do Kai it is one of the first things that is learned, they use to describe it as "swatting a fly". Basically a very short movement to deflect/redirect the strike just enough to take it off target or take the power out of it, while keeping the guard & setting up for the next strike. It starts off basic & ends up very similar to ChefSamarai's video {which by the way, very good find} as the skill progresses. I tend to use the parry {as you call it} in close quarter combat situations, as it's short, tight & doesn't give them much time to readjust, before I do what ever I was setting up for be it strike/grapple/ throw lock etc. I have found it can even give you a little advantage in ground grappling/shoot wrestling, as I've thrown in a quick parry from time to time against a an opponent in a top mount striking position {though I usually try to avoid letting them get there in the first place} giving me just enough distraction to switch the advantage/mount. As for a real fight on the street? As I grew up street fighting, I believe it gives very little if any advantage at all, especially if out number or opposing weapons. that's my experience & thought's on it.
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talon
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Post by talon on Jun 25, 2012 4:33:13 GMT -5
Sorry I'm not computer savy enough to find & attach a video though guys
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Post by Possum on Jun 25, 2012 4:57:38 GMT -5
Good video. I wouldn't say what he did as "block", which I tend to view as a way to absorb a strike (or strike a strike). What happened in the video was more of a redirection, or "parry".
But block or parry, we are taught to do both in TKD, and they do exist in our forms (ITF and WTF).
Applicable? Yes, absolutely - but only as part of a finishing technique. Your goal shouldn't be staying inside and close to the opponent. If you did, it should be because you need to implement a neutralization/finishing technique.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 25, 2012 6:34:20 GMT -5
yes i use parrying, but its a short movement. but is a short movement not an extradited movement like in the first video.
i dont block to me blocking means to stop completely, i would parry, strike, trap, break, etc
a parry should be a small movement it doesnt have to be so big in many situation.
in many systems the term block was misinterpreted, in japanese the term uke means not receive many use the term block
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Post by youxia on Jun 25, 2012 10:36:07 GMT -5
Some parrying used in this vid:
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Post by friendlyvirus on Jun 25, 2012 12:29:15 GMT -5
im not sure on how effective it could be on a real fight, since i dont remember using it. but if done properly it leaves the oponent open to an attack, well at least thats what i remember from a dude that was teaching me parries.
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Post by yaoshuya on Jun 25, 2012 20:27:02 GMT -5
the problem with parrying is you have to be quick and accurate with parrying if you miss or parry the wrong way your gonna end up getting hit worse.
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Post by aaronj on Jun 26, 2012 18:16:52 GMT -5
Parrying does have its time and place. In the experiences I've had having to defend myself, I have both parried, and not.
The thing with parrying, is you should be attacking at the exact same time you're 'defending'. Anything less and you leave yourself open.
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Post by youxia on Jul 6, 2012 6:01:33 GMT -5
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Post by gunter on Jul 6, 2012 6:31:06 GMT -5
@youxia......that Dan Djurdjevic really knows his stuff eh. He is a great martial artist.
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Post by youxia on Jul 6, 2012 15:41:21 GMT -5
I don't know?
I take it that's sarcasm, I just put it because it seemed relevant, why who is he?
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Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 6, 2012 15:58:14 GMT -5
the guy who wrote the article is calling parries blocks lol
in boxing it's easy to block you just hold your gloves in front of your face and the gloves are so big they cover your whole face and they block punches just like a road block blocks cars.
taking a hit is still taking a hit and your arm can get broken with a punch because when 2 solid objects smash together the the weaker one breaks and that's what blocking is it's taking a hit with your arms like how standing behind bullet proof glass would block you from bullets by getting hit by them instead.
What he keeps saying is short parrys are good and long parrys are bad and he doesn't know much about traditional styles if he says they don't have parrys becasue they do thats what was mistranslated in english.
"The term "block" is actually a misnomer because traditional blocks don't simply "stop" an attack. Rather they act as checks, parries, deflections, set-ups or any number of other moves that both"
is pure bullshit it can be those it's just not taking a hit directly that's all.
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Post by gunter on Jul 6, 2012 21:16:15 GMT -5
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