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Post by alwaysawhitebelt on Jul 9, 2012 13:51:40 GMT -5
to all you MMA practitioners, I have a serious question. how do you guys practice self defense? do you guys set off time in training to practice scenarios and defend against them such as most tma does? or do you guys just do sparring and padwork and drills and everything else, and just count that as your self defense? this is a serious question, and not meant as a flaming mma, i'm just curious. thanks.
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Post by odee on Jul 9, 2012 16:29:40 GMT -5
A bit. The Muay Thai class does multiple person sparring and some ambush training which is the teacher throwing an extra fighter in the ring when two people are really getting tunnel vision with each other. The Brazilian Jujitsu class lacks striking which in my opinion is a bad thing for self defense training. The MMA class is run by both teachers and the Muay Thai teacher is kind of into throwing random elements in to force students to adapt. So no to the self defense scenarios yes to adapting on the fly and getting pummelled which I believe are the two most important self defense issues anyway.
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Post by alwaysawhitebelt on Jul 9, 2012 17:57:35 GMT -5
interesting, sounds cool :
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Post by odee on Jul 9, 2012 22:49:29 GMT -5
Most Kyokushin schools do self defense scenarios but mostly the emphasis is on ending the confrontation without a beatdown. By that I mean restraining techniques like joint-locks and intimidation tactics, beatdown is the final option. Intimidation tactics were never something I was fond of, they required two things that are sometimes in short supply. A massive skill difference between you and your attacker and brains enough in your attacker to recognize that difference. My opinion was always "Bugger that. If I'm worried about being sued then I'll just leave the stupid fool where he passed out". Forget playing nice to avoid trouble, if somebody picks a fight with me I'm not taking them to the hospital afterwards.
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Post by talon on Jul 9, 2012 23:47:37 GMT -5
In Zen Do Kai & Jonghap Musul {these are the MMA's I am involved in}, as you progress you also learn to deal with multiple opponents & situations to grade, & you pass or fail on what you do or don't do.Everyone who is attacking is padded/has guards on so you are encouraged to not hold back. But in reality the best self defense is your brain: Bruce Lee said "the best way to not get hit is to not be there" he wasn't just talking about ducking & weaving, blocks or deflection... but not getting yourself into the situation in the first place.so: 1st action should be to talk your way out 2nd walk your way out & 3rd {only if given No other choice} fight your way out: but only do enough that you can get away. Live to fight another day.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 10, 2012 1:47:28 GMT -5
That's good that they throw in an extra person. I don't think that is common in most muay thai schools, but I could be wrong.
Just wondering, do they teach you what to do if another person joins in or they just leave it for you to figure it out?
Do they add people with weapons and some without?
Do they teach you how to take a weapon correctly? Like keeping the blade away from your skin?
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Post by odee on Jul 10, 2012 2:23:55 GMT -5
They let us figure it out. They don't even give the extra guy a target, he or she gets to decide who to team with or if they make a team at all.
I don't put any stock in set knife defenses anyway. I thought it was good while I was doing Kyokushin but a bouncer's course made me re-think that. They didn't teach us a thing just put us in groups of twos and threes with loaded paintbrushes. People with paintbrushes tried to paint the people without, people without tried not to get painted. One of the first things I noticed was that people who tried to use fancy disarming tricks usually wore the most paint. The guy who wore the least paint seemingly chose to ignore the brush completely and just attack the guy holding it. After all the knife stops being dangerous and taking it is a lot easier when the guy swinging it is unconcious.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 10, 2012 4:36:51 GMT -5
It is not about the target they are going to strike. It is the strategy to keep from getting hit in the back of the head or somewhere else that you can't defend. If you are just left to figure it out you are just fighting. That fight can last a while. You are not stopping the fight. You have not ended the threat.
Knife defenses shouldn't be fancy. I believe in the KISS method. K Keep I It S Simple S Stupid
You have to keep it simple. A paint brush while I understand its purpose does take away from the realism. Then it just become play. You lose the intent. First the techniques must be taught. Then drilled. Then you add the pressure (stress). Use a short stick, a fake knife. Even with those you will see how many people that can do the techniques correct with no weapon in the hand panic when there is something in the hand. Then you have got to get them over that.
Now I want to add the shock knife. They are just so expensive. The adds another element of realism. My understanding is that it burns like a knife cutting you.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 10, 2012 4:45:08 GMT -5
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Jul 10, 2012 17:03:12 GMT -5
to all you MMA practitioners, I have a serious question. how do you guys practice self defense? do you guys set off time in training to practice scenarios and defend against them such as most tma does? or do you guys just do sparring and padwork and drills and everything else, and just count that as your self defense? this is a serious question, and not meant as a flaming mma, i'm just curious. thanks. I don't do much. In my opinion, I don't need to train in any certain mindset to properly defend myself. As long as my body is attuned to acting a certain way in a conflict, through muscle memory, then I feel as if I'm good. And while there are other conditions to think about, such as adrenaline and what not, I think many of us go through this when we have tournaments/fights/etc...We learn about how it affects us, and what we can do to combat it, and use it to our advantage. So in my opinion, there is really no need to train in a certain context. As long as you keep certain factors in your head, such as the absence of rules, use of weapons, adrenaline, etc...you should be fine in my opinion. Others may disagree
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Post by odee on Jul 10, 2012 17:24:17 GMT -5
I want one of those knives.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 11, 2012 0:04:50 GMT -5
I want one too. I just don't want to pay for it..
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Post by alwaysawhitebelt on Jul 11, 2012 11:02:03 GMT -5
to all you MMA practitioners, I have a serious question. how do you guys practice self defense? do you guys set off time in training to practice scenarios and defend against them such as most tma does? or do you guys just do sparring and padwork and drills and everything else, and just count that as your self defense? this is a serious question, and not meant as a flaming mma, i'm just curious. thanks. I don't do much. In my opinion, I don't need to train in any certain mindset to properly defend myself. As long as my body is attuned to acting a certain way in a conflict, through muscle memory, then I feel as if I'm good. And while there are other conditions to think about, such as adrenaline and what not, I think many of us go through this when we have tournaments/fights/etc...We learn about how it affects us, and what we can do to combat it, and use it to our advantage. So in my opinion, there is really no need to train in a certain context. As long as you keep certain factors in your head, such as the absence of rules, use of weapons, adrenaline, etc...you should be fine in my opinion. Others may disagree yeah, that's how I figured most mma practitioners do it, its an interesting way for sure. and I also want a shock knife, but it is pretty expensive
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Post by aaronj on Jul 16, 2012 15:35:05 GMT -5
You have to go through a training course as well to get the knives. Smart, I think.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 23, 2012 11:03:32 GMT -5
I knew the shock knives are expensive. I wasn't aware that you had to go through their training course too. Another way to get money out of us...lol
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