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Post by odee on Jul 25, 2012 21:23:05 GMT -5
I don't doubt you could take someone's eye out Chef. I just doubt that it would be enough to make a fighter let you go. That's where my belief ends. Yes removing someone's eye on the street might make them let go but street or ring removing a fighter's eye is no guarantee of release or even a distraction.
Ripping someone's stomach out with your teeth I also find a bit iffy, might work in a cage where people wear a rash shirt or no shirt, might work on the streets here in Australia where most people wear thin clothes in the summer but I doubt it would work in winter here and I doubt it would work most months in Canada or any other cold place. I've been bitten in anger by both Rottweiler and German Shepard and in my opinion if a jumper is enough to stop them doing serious damage its enough to stop any human.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 25, 2012 21:29:20 GMT -5
well the stomach is just the biggest target & probably the worst and you can rip right through cloth it's pretty easy as long as your canines have something pinches it's going to do damage the neck & cheeks are other big targets but you can do it anywhere.
the eye is just a distraction so you have an opening to their head and you can poke at their brain or whatever open nerves your finger tips can gouge at after its gone & if you get both you can completely blind them and it's probably.
They aren't for sure things just more to my repertoire if I find myself in a situation to use them.
And as for the shirt I usually jersey (bag & tag in ausie) people standing up before a clinch so chances are by the time were grounded they will have their shirt over their face or off completely.
And pitbulls are different their teeth lock on and if your pinned down in full side control with your arms locked up how do you protect your stomach? it's not random biting lol
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Post by odee on Jul 25, 2012 22:50:18 GMT -5
Pitbulls might be different to rotties and shepards in that they have heavier muscle on their skulls and the lock jaw but the fact is that all three of those dogs have at least ten times the jaw strength you possess and much longer points on their canines so it really doesn't matter which one you choose to base your technique off, if they can't get more than a couple of scratches and some heavy bruising through the jumper unless you actually manage to sack, bag and tag or jersy a person before you get them down your teeth aren't going through those clothes. You've probably seen more often than I have what happens when someone grabs a person's shirt and still comes off second best. It's not an eye gouge, throat chop or jugular grab that tends to solve the problem. It's a well aimed fist or palm in the jaw, nose, helmet, head or headgear that knocks the poor bastard off his feet or skates.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 25, 2012 22:57:55 GMT -5
of course but in the end nothing is for sure and why should I limit myself?
and again I use my judo & sambo training with clothing so I can use it to restrict it's not just random, it's actually trained I've used it before against live resisting opponents just like the kino mutai.
kino mutai is weird though & you tape a steak on your opponent wearing a wet suit to chew through lol
and again you can bite in a dominant position too so your at an advantage like back mount tearing apart the back of the spine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 4:24:39 GMT -5
@chef......biting stomachs.....that is CRAZY! I love it
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Post by odee on Jul 26, 2012 6:46:20 GMT -5
True dat Chef. You know I'm not going to say don't do it. If someone attacked you I'd be rather pleased to hear that you bit his belly out. You also wouldn't get a reply from me because I'd be laughing so damn hard there would be no hope of me typing one.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 26, 2012 13:19:52 GMT -5
@fraiser- I've been told I fight like a wild man lol odee- Exactly my point there's no point not doing something that works especially if your in a position to do it and I'd probably be too traumatized by the taste of human blood to send a message lol
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Post by The Last Airbender on Jul 30, 2012 0:27:46 GMT -5
interesting but it feels a lot easier to remove an eye than break a bone. theres a spot in your eye at the top you can pop it right out with about 30lbs of pressure meanwhile squishing the eye can take several hundred pounds so do the easier option. the idea isn't to squish the eye ball just to remove them which is a lot easier than destroying them. meanwhile to strike strong you need to be able to gain momentum and for a lock or choke you need leverage. I train kino mutai which is biting peoples stomachs open and it's probably the scariest martial art tactic I've ever seen and I can only tear a raw roast apart in 10 seconds but my sifu could shred through a roast in about 4 which means someones guts will be pouring out in about 4 seconds flat. And it's not random biting it has to be trained because normal biting hydroplanes you have to lock on with you canines and tear like a pitbull from left to right using your back core & neck muscles to inflict maximum damage. And in nature when animals get their stomachs ripped open by other animals they pretty much die on the spot or roll over to protect their open organs. I agree, but do YOU have what it takes to chew out another human beings intestines and stand there chewing them while a man dies in your hands and his innards seep through your teeth and lips onto the cement while you sit there with his fresh corpse oozing blood and guts onto you as you wait for the police to come to explain? Can you pull another persons eye out of their face and watch them scream and bleed to death in horrific agony without vomiting, all because he wanted your wallet or shoes? I agree, these are effective techniques but unless you are willing to actually perform them on another human being and be able to live with yourself using justifications like "he was gonna rob me, i did what i had to do" then they're virtually useless.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 31, 2012 17:28:51 GMT -5
@avatar- true but I see every fight as they are trying to maim, cripple or kill me any way they can so I have to defend myself at any ways I can and that's a big part of international training is not having anything to hold you back or hesitate in your head.
When they say give me your wallet and I say no and they attack me it's their fault because they wanted to cripple, maim or kill me to get my wallet because we're not in a ring and there is no referee to break us up.
ALWAYS say they were trying to kill you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by The Last Airbender on Jul 31, 2012 18:43:57 GMT -5
that's fine but i don't think 90% of people could live with themselves knowing they did that to a human when maybe they didn't have to. not saying you personally, but everyone is a stone-cold, black-blooded killer on the internet ya know?
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 31, 2012 18:53:21 GMT -5
of course I'm no cold blooded killer because it wouldn't be in cold blood lol it's just part of self defence training I guess
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Post by odee on Aug 1, 2012 6:27:38 GMT -5
I'm with Chef there. When I did Taekwando, before I started Karate I was trying to lock down a choke on my opponent, he squirmed and instead of going under his chin by arm went up into his mouth where he quite happily bit down on it. I was bare-armed too, didn't do a great amount of damage but I lost my cool and attempted some dentistry to get him off. Never been taught such a move and never been bitten before, that was just instinct having it's way with both of us. Sometimes the human mind doesn't need to learn savagery.
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Post by aaronj on Aug 2, 2012 1:34:30 GMT -5
Haha I do enjoy where this went.
Just one thing... In all of the situations that I've been in where I was attacked, (not peacock fighting) there was no thought process. I simply reacted. I thought about it after I got out.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Aug 2, 2012 1:50:54 GMT -5
odee- I agree but the trick to kino mutai is lock on with the canines because the inscisors & molars hydroplane and your supposed to jerk your neck to get a good tear and we used to train to tear apart a raw beef round roast in 5 seconds which is hard to do. Just like a proper punch isn't a random strike with the fist a proper bite isn't just a random gnawing with the teeth. I'm part of paul vunaks lineage and heres some good videos of him explaining it
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Post by odee on Aug 2, 2012 22:52:18 GMT -5
He looks familiar...was he on Full House?
Wouldn't work for me. I have an overbite and my canines are rather pathetic. I'd be better off studying rabbit biting technique.
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