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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 6:17:42 GMT -5
Those moves are taught in Karate too arent they?
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Post by odee on Dec 8, 2012 6:31:16 GMT -5
They're taught in every martial art but how you choose to view them is like a religion and entirely personal. I have had teachers who believe in always playing for keeps and teachers who believe that such moves are the last act of the desperate. I sway more towards the latter but I still have a great deal of respect for the guys who play for keeps.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 9, 2012 22:42:00 GMT -5
Frankly if someone makes me use a move like that I really don't give a damn what I damage. He just does it when I get close all the time it's hid little go to trick he does & I hate it!! They're taught in every martial art but how you choose to view them is like a religion and entirely personal. I have had teachers who believe in always playing for keeps and teachers who believe that such moves are the last act of the desperate. I sway more towards the latter but I still have a great deal of respect for the guys who play for keeps. Yeah and I use them as a first resort in self defence but in sparring it depends on how good we think we are & if we call nut shots we have to be really careful and know how to defend our balls & necks but wee never hit full force. But if in self defence I'm scared to fight, I'm scared to die but I'm even more afraid to survive as a cripple so I must cripple, maim or kill my assailant before they do the same to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 4:25:06 GMT -5
Im gonna go for the school that does full contact sparring
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Post by the tank on Dec 10, 2012 15:09:28 GMT -5
That's what I would do as well.
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Post by odee on Dec 11, 2012 16:38:26 GMT -5
But if in self defence I'm scared to fight, I'm scared to die but I'm even more afraid to survive as a cripple so I must cripple, maim or kill my assailant before they do the same to me. I am afraid to fight...but I am not afraid to die, I am afraid to live as a cripple. Quote from 'Fighter in the wind'.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 11, 2012 22:26:57 GMT -5
thats where I got it from but I guess I was wrong lol but a damn good movie it was.
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Post by odee on Dec 13, 2012 16:27:44 GMT -5
You've seen it? I thought only Kyokushin students hunted that down.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 14, 2012 20:20:05 GMT -5
I am a Kyokushin guy at heart & my wing chun teacher did kyokushin with his dad for 5 years before taking up wing chun and developed a toughness that I've never seen in a wing chun guy.
But apparently he changed from external hardening methods to internal ones eventually & he never taught me the external stuff from kyokushin but he said the internal does the same but it just takes longer but you can't really hurt yourself like the hard way can.
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Post by odee on Dec 15, 2012 2:09:33 GMT -5
He's right about one thing. Hard stylists who take their training seriously do tend to wind up on the broken list quite a bit. I'm still dubious that there is a better way of getting tough though. Even the Tai Chi guys who play for keeps use much the same toughening methods as Kyokushin and Muay Thai students.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 15, 2012 2:57:25 GMT -5
yeah it's funny that their methods are similar but it makes sense because karate was influenced by kung fu.
I really don't even know what he means by internal really because he showed me external/hard applications but in low impact & high repetition.
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Post by odee on Dec 15, 2012 4:55:31 GMT -5
That sounds odd but maybe I have too much of an opposite ends of the spectrum view. When someone talks about internal I usually think it means the hocum stuff like chi armour and aura pressure. But what you just said sounds a lot like external toughening done at a slower pace. Like drumming on your shin rather than hammering it against heavy bags and flexible trees, less chance of breaking your leg while you get the desired calcium build-up but a lot of people question if it works as thoroughly as the heavier hits. On the flip side, you might get your bones to the point where you can start hammering the trees and bags without the risk of breakage.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 15, 2012 5:35:55 GMT -5
That's pretty much what I figured too but I'm a cupcake I guess still lol
I need to learn how to toughen my thighs because recently my judo buddy I train with has a new move were he digs his elbows into my thighs & starts grinding/shredding into the muscle & artery in the side and it makes me tap right away & it's such a dick move but I need to learn how to deal with it or I'll never learn guard properly.
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Post by odee on Dec 15, 2012 5:39:14 GMT -5
What kind of mount does he do it from?
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Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 15, 2012 5:44:33 GMT -5
when I have him in my closed guard he digs his elbows in my tights for a pass but I'll usually tap it's so painful if he gets it deep in the tissue.
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