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Post by Chino on Aug 26, 2013 5:49:39 GMT -5
We all know that and if you didnt, kickboxing, specifically K1 kickboxing had attempted it's move to america and was quickly defeated by the rising popularity of the UFC. As of lately a new organization GLORY is making it's move with one of the main goals being to put Madison square garden(One of the few places MMA is banned) under the kickboxing flag. I made this thread with the intention of updating news on there plan to take over. Also in the hopes that members of this forum would like to discuss certain things such as, differences between mma and kickboxing fan wise, why kickboxing has failed in america, and why mma isn't having much success over seas. What the fans want out of both sports, what is it exactly that makes a fan "care" about a fighter besides them being fun to watch. Pretty much anything between the sport of mma and kickboxing.
My question to get everything started is, why is it that us, humans, animals who have been brought up on conflict and naturally have fighting in out blood. Why is it that sports such as football and soccer(for overseas) still dominate the world rather then a fighting sport, when as humans we can all relate to 2 men beating each other.
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Post by odee on Aug 26, 2013 7:07:32 GMT -5
The simple answer is that we can't all relate to it. Very few humans actually enjoy fighting and even fewer understand it and still enjoy it.
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Post by KyKarateka on Aug 27, 2013 2:56:24 GMT -5
I agree with Odee, combat sports will never see the same popularity as other sports just because there are fewer that enjoy them. If there were city/country representing fighters at tournaments we could see more because lf right now it's fighters against one another with the popular fighter getting the fan support.
I think MMA has already gotten a headstart so kickboxing would have to pull really hard to get it popular in the west. Quite frankly, I'd only watch kickboxing if it were free haha
* Excuse any grammar/spelling mistakes as I am on mobile
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Chino
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Post by Chino on Aug 27, 2013 9:12:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure I kinda see it the other way around I think alot of people like fighting, but they wanna watch it not be the one in the fight. Cause if you compare to when your just walking on the streets, as soon as a fight starts everybody goes over to it and starts watching. Not just in schools but like just a random fight on the street.
I think it's mostly because of marketing personally, because when a big basketball game is coming on you see commercials on half the tv stations, and commercials on youtube videos about it. But i rarely see anything about any fighting sports.
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Post by odee on Aug 27, 2013 18:58:59 GMT -5
We'd struggle even if we did have the numbers. Marketing has a big play on it to be sure but that's more because the martial community is so diverse but also so divided and insular. There are a lot of martial artists who don't know what's happening outside their own school let alone their own style and for the most part they don't want to know. Listen to chumps like Pugpaws on Yahoo, he doesn't even consider styles with a competition element to be martial arts. You can't convince a guy like that to watch competition no matter how hard you push it with advertising and on top of that it's an attitude that he pushes onto his students, even tries to convince other Yahoo contributors of it. Parents do it too, mother hens who think it's too violent and 'desensitising' to their kids will not only not let their kids watch it they'll send complaints to the network that aired it just in case other parents 'aren't good enough to deny their kids as well' it's hard to defend the competitions because fighting is a taboo subject. Kind of like motor racing, the difference is that fans of things like NASCAR will also watch F1 meaning it gets the viewership that encourages commercials, brings in money and gives the network the balls to tell mother hens to pull their breast out of the kid's mouth and let them grow up.
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Post by Chino on Aug 27, 2013 21:23:24 GMT -5
That's true, I'm always getting crap about "You should stop fighting your going to get hurt." which is bs to me. But it's not just moms it's companies as a whole, like if anybody ever noticed they don't sell toy guns anymore in kids stores. They sell water guns or dart guns but they don't sell the toy guns that make those popping sounds anymore like when we would all play games when we were younger.
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Post by KyKarateka on Aug 28, 2013 2:22:26 GMT -5
Theres a misconception with martial arts and fighting in general. It's pretty rare that fighters get seriously injured during fights but it does happen.
Parents think that learning to fight will make kids violent. This can be true or false depending on the individual. No two kids have the same mindset. It also depends on the maturity of the child.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 2:42:02 GMT -5
What's the difference between the kickboxing in Japan and the kickboxing in Europe and America?
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Post by odee on Aug 28, 2013 7:20:27 GMT -5
Kickboxing in Japan and Europe tends to be derrived from Kyokushin. K-1 and Dutch rules allow kicks to the thighs and knees to all targets, interestingly elbows are often a forbidden weapon, I guess when you've been using your fists to pummel someone's head and you lock up in a clinch the elbow to the head is just too tempting... Kickboxing from America tends to be derrived from Shotokan point-sparring rules and is literally kick-boxing. Both knees and elbows are forbidden completely as are kicks lower than belt level.
They're both pretty cool to have a shot at, amazing how much difference the removal of a few weapons make to what makes a top competitor.
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Chino
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Post by Chino on Aug 28, 2013 20:28:03 GMT -5
And I think europe tends to produce more top rank kickboxers then japan. Is K1 still around? I actually thought there like on the virge of being bank rupt I stopped watching about 2 years ago.
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Post by odee on Aug 29, 2013 18:11:51 GMT -5
In the heavyweight division yes. Asians tend to be built like Sumo Wrestlers to be over 80kgs though.
K-1 the organization is dead. The rule-set from that organization is still in use and still referred to as the K-1 rule-set.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 3:46:26 GMT -5
Didn't K-1 just make a come back?
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Post by odee on Sept 12, 2013 6:55:05 GMT -5
You can call it a come back when it reaches half the power it held before it lost it's television spot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 21:53:07 GMT -5
A come back is a come back no matter if it was good or not
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Post by odee on Sept 15, 2013 5:14:37 GMT -5
It's not a come-back until they've reached the spot where they were when they left off.
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