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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 24, 2012 14:31:11 GMT -5
To those who say MMA isn't a Martial Art, I'd say true, but also that it could become one in the future. With all the MMA gyms out there teaching the exact sames skills (Boxing, Muay Thai, Jiu-Jitsu, Wrestling) it very well could be consider a style all on it's own within the next few years.
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Post by MA Ray on Jun 24, 2012 14:36:26 GMT -5
@ Glutton: Nothing in MMA is original. Its approach comes from a variety of different martial arts. How can it become its own style and take credit for other art's techniques?
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 24, 2012 15:39:55 GMT -5
@glutton- yeah mma could become original it's true I've met people who have adapted their style to mma like tighter guards for boxers & wider stances so they don't get taken down and less weight on their front leg so leg kicks don't cripple them etc.
@ray- true it's not really original but not everyones the same like look at hendersons stance & the way he fights compared to fedor, niether fought exactly like any style they knew but they adapted them to use under the mma rules and exploited loopholes and created their own styles.
pretty soon we'll have all the champs teaching like bas rutten, ken shamrock, randy couture & chuck lidell already are like lyoto machida, gsp, henderson & anderson silva and mixing them together with each-other and with other traditional & modern styles and create something better for those rules until they have a style that has every loophole exploited and all the variable down much like modern boxing has done.
stance changed because they no longer had to worry about leg takedowns or low kicks after broughtons rules so they put most of their weight on their front leg and stood more upright than before and as the rules changed so did the style accordingly.
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Post by odee on Jun 24, 2012 18:35:27 GMT -5
Chef if I wanted to generalise I would have pointed out just about every Taekwando school associated with the ATA and the fact that they haven't taught their students to suck it up when they're being hit. I wanted to point out that high level Taekwando practitioners are just as liable to lose their cool as any high level UFC competitor.
Actually I'm not of the belief that MMA is a martial art style. I believe it's still a martial art concept just like Jeet Kune Do. The difference is that the targets you're being trained to fight aren't average people on the street, they're other well trained fighters. Give it another ten years and Chef will be right, it will have become a united style with the same stuff being taught to every fighter but at the moment there is still room for loop-holes to be exploited by new tactics and techniques. That's why I think it needs a rule change in the next two or three years to shake things up.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 24, 2012 18:39:44 GMT -5
@ Glutton: Nothing in MMA is original. Its approach comes from a variety of different martial arts. How can it become its own style and take credit for other art's techniques? The movements of the human body are finite. Taekwondo has a heavy Karate influence, and yet it's still it's own style in spite of many techniques that are identical.
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Post by odee on Jun 24, 2012 18:49:12 GMT -5
Aikido is specialised Japanese Jujutsu as are Brazilian Jujitsu and Judo. Hapkido is a mixture of Taekwando and either Aikido or Japanese Jujitsu. Karate is a mixture of Tode Wrestling and Chinese Martial Arts. Muay Thai is a Mixture of Thailand's native arts and Boxing. Wing Chun is just a simplified version of other Chinese Martial Arts. Glutton is right most martial arts are modified off something, they never just spring fully formed into someone's head.
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Post by rikashiku on Jun 24, 2012 20:10:38 GMT -5
MMA won't become a martial art, because everyone practices a different type of MMA. Some mixes in Karate with BJJ, while others mix in Judo with Boxing but not all MMA styles will join as one unlike what Taekwondo did.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 24, 2012 20:25:55 GMT -5
MMA won't become a martial art, because everyone practices a different type of MMA. Some mixes in Karate with BJJ, while others mix in Judo with Boxing but not all MMA styles will join as one unlike what Taekwondo did. But again the loopholes will be so well exploited over a certain amount of time that there will be a best style for those rules that exploits all those loopholes. like a karateka can do a boxing match but all the time the karateka trained their kicks and other moves the boxer trained to punch and defend against punches and his stance is purely for defending against punches and dishing out punches while the karateka's stance is a bit more free for kicking & grappling and defending against them which is all useless under boxing rules. And also the mixed styles taught by the people above like the ones I said above & more like erik paulsons stx kickboxing & submission catch wrestling will have judo, bjj, muay thai, kickboxing, bjj, sambo etc so they won't need to add it because it's already there but it will just take time for it to get like that. Aikido is specialised Japanese Jujutsu as are Brazilian Jujitsu and Judo. Hapkido is a mixture of Taekwando and either Aikido or Japanese Jujitsu. Karate is a mixture of Tode Wrestling and Chinese Martial Arts. Muay Thai is a Mixture of Thailand's native arts and Boxing. Wing Chun is just a simplified version of other Chinese Martial Arts. Glutton is right most martial arts are modified off something, they never just spring fully formed into someone's head. So true man I couldn't have said it better myself since even boxing & wrestling came from fencing.
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Post by rikashiku on Jun 24, 2012 23:06:32 GMT -5
They still won't be able to make it a single martial art. There are to many gyms teaching their own style of MMA. There will only be different gyms with their own methods and it will be like this for a long time.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 24, 2012 23:14:20 GMT -5
but same can be said with all styles like joe fraizer boxed different than mohammad ali and so did jack dempsey and mike tyson too but they are all using the style called boxing.
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Post by odee on Jun 25, 2012 0:14:44 GMT -5
Kickboxing. Kickboxers still come from Muay Thai, Karate, Savate, Taekwando and other Martial Art styles but they're collectively called Kickboxers and people who don't have an understanding of Martial Arts can't tell the difference between one style and another. People who do Karate still get called Kung Fu practitioners. Why? Admittedly half the time it is to irritate but sometimes it's genuinely because people don't know the difference.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 25, 2012 16:20:02 GMT -5
Kickboxing. Kickboxers still come from Muay Thai, Karate, Savate, Taekwando and other Martial Art styles but they're collectively called Kickboxers and people who don't have an understanding of Martial Arts can't tell the difference between one style and another. People who do Karate still get called Kung Fu practitioners. Why? Admittedly half the time it is to irritate but sometimes it's genuinely because people don't know the difference. true enough but at my gym they teach a style called kickboxing which is a mix of muay thai, sanshou & karate and I've seen a few other kickboxing places that teach a style called kickboxing and they probably do the same.
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Post by peppermillk on Jun 26, 2012 3:06:49 GMT -5
Id say its all in the name.. mixed martial arts. The fact that it says mixed and has plural `s` on arts pretty much sets its path as never being an individual art of its own. I suppose maybe if sumone took the overall mma style and called it sumthing else perhaps then officially u couold call it its own art but technically... nah. Also for agesss back when one dude said that u never rly see TKD dudes using hardcore diet regemes compared to mma guys I recon that's probs becos TKD relies more on their style compared to relying on fitness like in mma
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Post by ThaiKwonDoFighter on Jun 28, 2012 0:19:54 GMT -5
What you are saying is pretty ignorant dude. if youre talking about cage rules, a tkd fighter using only tkd going against a mma fighter who knows several martial arts, specificly grappling, the mma fighter would win, hands down. just because the mma fighter has more options. yes, if the tkd fighter was world class he could mabe win but other than that there isnt much of a chance for him...
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Post by fyahooanswers on Jun 28, 2012 16:03:14 GMT -5
lol tkd. all an mma fighter would have to do is take you down and you are fuck
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