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Post by yaoshuya on Jul 21, 2012 20:47:24 GMT -5
If you could pick two martial arts to combine what would they be , and your looking for a combination that would be good for no rules mma ( street fighting but with gloves) , or street fights
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Jul 21, 2012 21:23:12 GMT -5
BJJ and Muay Thai. The point of MMA is to make you a more well-rounded and versatile fighter. You don't get that with two striking styles and no ground style such as BJJ or wrestling. BJJ and Muay Thai are the perfect combination for street and sport fighting.
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Post by odee on Jul 21, 2012 23:06:31 GMT -5
Kyokushin Karate and Rugby worked for my first MMA match. But since then I've been learning Muay Thai and Brazilian Jujitsu. I'd probably rate Muay Thai as equal with Kyokushin, pity more KK teachers don't push MMA competitions out for their students.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jul 22, 2012 3:06:31 GMT -5
Its a shame I couldn't pick more than two. There are so many effective styles that I really can't pick one that I'd consider "ultimate". But it should come as no surprise that I picked BJJ and Muay Thai. For one, Muay Thai is ARGUABLY the most rounded striking style one could learn. It's not too complicated to combine with another style without significantly slowing one's progress, either. To top that off, Muay Thai clinching fills in the striking gaps you'll find in the standup clinching of BJJ. On the other end of the equation, BJJ isn't just ARGUABLY the most versatile grappling style around, it is EASILY the most versatile grappling style around. Do some styles come close? Sure! SAMBO is VERY rounded as well! But Nobody tackles grappling with as much depth as the masterminds behind BJJ. Maybe someday that'll change as styles evolve, but I don't see it happening too soon.
There's also a reason that this combination is so prevalent. It's not just because of hype. It's a formula that's worked for what is now the vast majority of MMA fighters.
However, like I said, I wish I could pick more than two. Guys like GSP and Randy Couture have proven the dominance of wrestling. Guys like Bas Rutten and (again) GSP have also proven the dominance of Kyokushin Karate. And those are just some of the big names here in the states. Plenty of great styles to mix. All I can really do is fall back on the most successful.
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Post by rollingrock128 on Jul 22, 2012 13:29:12 GMT -5
i picked judo and muay thai. because judo teaches submissions and also great takedowns. im still a real beginner in judo but i love it a lot. and as glutton said i wish i could pick more than two. i would have picked bjj, muay thai, boxing, judo, and wrestling
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Post by aaronj on Jul 22, 2012 14:06:50 GMT -5
I picked karate, and BJJ. I do agree with glutton4punishment in saying that the depth of BJJ in the grappling world is quite strong. However, in my opinion it is of the "on the ground grappling practices" where it prevails. There are many similarities in techniques with Judo so it was a very difficult choice for me, having studied both.
Karate in my experience, does more than enough, with the right group, and the right teacher. My teacher for my main system of focus, made damn sure that we were prepaired for everything. So early on, we had to suppliment our karate with other systems in order to see what we needed to work on so we were not vulnerable. A few of us learned Judo, I also learned BJJ and a system of Japanese JuJutsu which also had a lot of ground focus (surprisingly to me at the time). I also wrestled with some of the top tier guys at our school.
A big misconception with the 'categorization' of martial arts, is that they can all be lumped into a system of striking or grappling. There are some systems that have predominant striking or grappling, and more often than not, it is because of the individual school and teacher, not the system itself. Once we were exposed to the different training focuses our Sensei, made certain that our bunkai were not limited to just striking or grappling.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 23, 2012 2:22:53 GMT -5
for combat sports probably bjj & muay thai
because the rules of both added together pretty much equal mma rules
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jul 23, 2012 9:05:41 GMT -5
I wanted to pick Karate. Any Karate, really, but in particular the up close and personal styles like Kyokushin, Goju, Seido, etc. The thing I've noticed about MMA is that there are tons of fighters who train in Muay Thai extensively and then "modify" it for MMA, and it ends up looking like Karate. Take Faber in the fight from Friday night. He was switching up his stances and fighting with a wide base flat footed. He'd then get in close, land a few quick shots, and back off. He doesn't even look like he's doing Muay Thai, he looks like he's doing Karate. To top that off, there are plenty of fighters that actually DO Karate and are killers in the ring/cage. Bas, GSP, Sakuraba, Machida, and Petruzelli who pounded Kimbo into the ground in 16 seconds or something like that. It definitely deserves consideration as a top contender and I think all types of Karate will make a resurgence in MMA over the years. It might take some time, though.
And yeah, I agree with Aaron that it was hard not to pick Judo. I've trained in both Judo and BJJ as well and I really do love Judo. It's more fun to practice to me, also. A good Judoka also tends to have a great top game. The depth of BJJ, as I mentioned, is just too much right now though. But that, too, in my opinion will change over the years as MMA becomes more prevalent. I think we'll see Kosen building popularity, and I really do hope it does.
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Post by odee on Jul 23, 2012 18:47:53 GMT -5
The funny thing about Karate is Joe Rogan. Stating that Karate doesn't work in the MMA because the whole "One strike - One kill" business. Funny thing - That is a Japanese philosophy and Japanese Karate like Kyokushin and Shotokan are probably the best represented Karate in the MMA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 20:35:29 GMT -5
I'd go for Wing Chun and Judo for self defence and either Muay Thai/Karate (Kyokushin or Shotokan) and BJJ for MMA.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jul 24, 2012 13:06:45 GMT -5
Wait, so there are styles that work for self defense but not in MMA and vice versa? WHOA!
So maybe that 3 years of Wing Chun that I thought was a waste of time actually made me a deadly killing machine in the streets...
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 24, 2012 15:11:38 GMT -5
yeah it's weird how things work differently under different variables
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 3:10:51 GMT -5
I love the sarcasm Glutton but yes. I would rather eye gouge and kick the knee out of someone than go for a double leg takedown and then do ground and pound.
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Post by odee on Jul 25, 2012 4:19:17 GMT -5
I do agree to a certain extent that just because something doesn't work in the ring doesn't mean it won't work on the street but there is a limit to which I buy into the theory.
Unless the guy who is attacking you is wimp enough to be sissy slapped into submission eye gouges aren't going to stop them, if anything they'd try harder to bring you down, when you rake or gouge someone's eyes you better be prepared to face an enraged attacker who wants your hide rather than just someone wanting your wallet. If you had what it took to kick someone's knee out then it really shouldn't be a problem to hit the nerves above the knee and send their leg dead from the knee down or into spasms. The way I see it there is more chance of a boxer who has only ever punched the face crushing someones jugular with a swift jab than there is for someone who has never struck another person in anger or at least with intent to harm. Also being competitive can often change which end of that double leg takedown you're on, I've seen some good Judokas wrap their opponents, twist and rather than getting slammed on their back wind up landing beside their opponent and a short roll away from a fully locked, dominant pounding position. I got knocked out by a Thai student who climbed me during a takedown then slammed an elbow into my face. I still landed on top of him but I was so dizzy I pushed myself up rather than staying tight and ate his next elbow for lights out. What really sets competitors above other martial artists in my opinion is their ability to recover when things go to the shitter. It just doesn't happen so regularly in the kwoon, school, dojo or training hall as it does in competitions, everyone already knows the others and where they stand with them. Almost everyone thinks they're the best in competitions and will try harder as a result, they find themselves in new positions because they usually don't know the other guy and try things they usually wouldn't.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 25, 2012 15:08:04 GMT -5
interesting but it feels a lot easier to remove an eye than break a bone.
theres a spot in your eye at the top you can pop it right out with about 30lbs of pressure meanwhile squishing the eye can take several hundred pounds so do the easier option.
the idea isn't to squish the eye ball just to remove them which is a lot easier than destroying them.
meanwhile to strike strong you need to be able to gain momentum and for a lock or choke you need leverage.
I train kino mutai which is biting peoples stomachs open and it's probably the scariest martial art tactic I've ever seen and I can only tear a raw roast apart in 10 seconds but my sifu could shred through a roast in about 4 which means someones guts will be pouring out in about 4 seconds flat.
And it's not random biting it has to be trained because normal biting hydroplanes you have to lock on with you canines and tear like a pitbull from left to right using your back core & neck muscles to inflict maximum damage.
And in nature when animals get their stomachs ripped open by other animals they pretty much die on the spot or roll over to protect their open organs.
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