Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 22, 2012 2:38:13 GMT -5
there are no reliable greeks documents at all lol
if one things a lie how do you know if it all isn`t unless you test it for yourself?
and if you can break a coconut it means your bones are dense and should be dense enough to pierce flesh.
wolfs law states your bones will grow to match their work load given enough time to heal & enough calcium.
when 2 solid objects collide the weaker one breaks much like punching a board and if your bones are solid enough to break wood that can pierce you I fail to see how it would fail to peirce the same flesh the same wood can pierce.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jun 22, 2012 2:58:42 GMT -5
Keep in mind that only certain type of wood is used for breaking. Only certain types of of object used for breaking because of their density. Brick are used to build house. It can support a lot of weight. But can easily be broken by a goo strike. Why? Because it is brittle. The properties of a brick or certain woods, coconuts, ice, etc allows for them to be broken by striking.
A person's skin, muscles, ligaments will not stand firm. They are not brittle. The surface is not hard. It will move with the strike and act as a shock absorber. It gives too much.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 22, 2012 15:50:37 GMT -5
True enough but I won't rule it out until I know for sure because soft tissue can be trained too like the hojo undo sand jars can strengthen the tendons.
I refuse to rule it out until I can disprove it for certain.
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Post by talon on Jun 22, 2012 18:56:09 GMT -5
As an ex-male nurse I can tell you that muscle & soft tissue {although it can be strengthened} still has the same weaknesses it always had. Where tendons/ligaments joint to bone or muscle they are weak & often under duress detach, muscle is striated or run in bundles of straight lines {like bundles of hay/straw} which can be torn apart by impact hence the term "torn muscles or ligaments". And although conditioning will make this slightly harder to do to someone, the weakness is always going to be there. Human anatomy doesn't change. As for the Ripping out the heart thing.. even if you avoid the rib cage you have a strong wall of muscle fiber, nerve clusters {especially under the armpit}, Blood vessels, skin, fatty tissue & a some lungs to get through before you even reach the heart, which is well protected & attached within the chest, so good luck {even if you by some miracle of unimaginable power make a hole to reach the heart} ripping it from it's very firm hold in the chest & getting it out of the small hole you made {like trying to get a coin out of a jar with your fist closed} as it will be just as hard to get the heart out as it was to put your hand in.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 22, 2012 19:28:22 GMT -5
so its downright impossible and can never be done no matter how someone tries and never has and never will be your saying?
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jun 23, 2012 3:37:47 GMT -5
Yep. that is what he is saying and I'm have been trying to say. He just did a much better job of giving a medical technical reason. I like how he summed it up. I wish I could have said it in that manner. But I never worked in that field. But I knew that because of how our bodies are made you can't do that with your hands. There is too much connective tissue, muscles, ligaments, and tendons. There are only certain substances that can be broken by human force.
Kind of like why if you are doing a demonstration and you break a board or some brick there are reasons why you don;t tell the audience why you use yellow pine and not oak. You don't tell them why brick is easy to break. Anyone can break boards if they know how. You don't have to be a martial artist nor do you have to do Iron Palm training and knuckle push ups.
My wife who doesn't train will break boards. After seeing my 7 year old do it. She wanted to do it too. I bought some boards and she practiced at home. Later she did it for the class or whenever my sensei asked her she would do it.
But we punt on a big show when we are doing it. We breathe deeply and concentrate real hard. We look like we are going to go through it but these are just a ritual for lining things up with the universe. Now with a loud kiai we break it even though it doesn't take all of that.. But that was for the crowd.
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Post by friendlyvirus on Jun 24, 2012 18:03:57 GMT -5
well did people get to fight with weapons on the lei tai? because that makes the organ ripping stuff a lot easier.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 26, 2012 20:50:48 GMT -5
you use yellow pine and not oak. You don't tell them why brick is easy to break. Anyone can break boards if they know how. that's exactly what I'm talking about though maybe there are a few places you can hit that have less connective tissue than others just like you hit yellow pine instead of oak you hit a soft spot like the throat instead of someones abs. kyoshu-jutsu is something denied by most medical experts but Seisu Oyata (RIP) proved it on many people now many people know about it even though it was bs because no one showed it to anyone so it was just speculation.
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