kane
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Post by kane on Jun 23, 2012 5:22:11 GMT -5
In a self defence situation what move would you use to defend yourself by hands ?
which strike would be more easier as well as effective ?
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 23, 2012 5:35:18 GMT -5
The Jab. Partially because I can use it while I draw my firearm, partially because I am more confident that I can land my jab than my cross. I'm kind of an odd fighter. I'm a righty, but my left hook is by far better than my cross.
EDIT: Just want to point out I was answering the first part of your question. As for the second, there really isn't a best hand strike. There's just the hand strike a practitioner can implement the best. It varies for everybody.
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Post by wattyler on Jun 23, 2012 7:05:07 GMT -5
Really depends on the situation..generally the fist hand action is guard up..then its decided most commonly by distance/range
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aaronj
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Post by aaronj on Jul 2, 2012 0:43:57 GMT -5
I don't have a set technique that I use every time. It's entirely situational.
For the second part... what glutton4punishment said. One thing I do like is a dead-hand strike.
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Post by gunter on Jul 2, 2012 22:12:30 GMT -5
I am very partial to the good ol fashioned Palm strike. I palm strike the head as it lessens the chance of breaking the hand.
My old Boxing coach told us to practice palm strikes at home on a boxing bag from a boxing stance. Instead of throwing a right cross or upper cut with a clenched fist, throw it with a palm strike. And I can tell you, it is a powerful strike. Those two are the power punches in boxing and done with the boxing stance and technique, palm strikes are great. He also said the Jab is ok if done with a little power held back from what you would do with a glove on. It establishes distance, allows you to position yourself (such as never letting anyone get behind you) and as a lead up to the palm strike (right cross or upper cut) in the classic 1-2 combo.
He also said to punch the body such as to the hook the liver and right cross to the sternum. And the jab can be used to attack the eyes if you put all your fingers in a point and punch it in a jab instead of a clenched fist to the eyes. And the palm strike to the face can also grab the eyes when you pull it back or to push them backwards.
So in conclusion; Palm strikes and Jabs to the head plus hooks and right crosses to the body. Upper cuts are great too. And boxing punch is great really though can break a hand. But if you need to punch then it is self defense and that is ok. Boxing is criminally underrated IMHO.
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Post by fyahooanswers on Jul 12, 2012 16:00:23 GMT -5
"everyone underestimates a shot to the groin"-bas rutten. if you don't want to fight like that it all depends on the situation if you feel like a fight is about to happen i would suggest taking the first shot it should be a hard one like a cross or hook. ive been in only like 3 street fights. but personally i like the leg kick. after 6 years of tkd and a few years of muay thai my kicks are hard, they keep the person away, and it really hurts and confuses people
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Post by kokoro on Jul 12, 2012 17:39:35 GMT -5
a joint strike with a ippon ken (single knuckle) or a finger strike to the same spot. there are a few spots on the upper body it works great on
a palmheal strike to the eye socket with a twist upon impact. the eyes will water up nice. and wont cause permanent damage
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Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Aug 21, 2012 17:33:48 GMT -5
I like the jab because if you do it right it's as strong as a cross and your lead hand is closer than your rear one so it has less distance to travel to it's target allowing less time to react to the strike & that's what makes it such an effective strike.
add in the fact it's a great feint to open up a cross and from a feint it can be turned into a single collar tie for some "dirty boxing" or a neck twist using the rear hand.
if your good you can do a hook from a jab using the same hand too but it requires impeccable timing and dexterity.
you can also rapid fire straight punches and any of the above jab options are a good start.
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Post by cheetah on Aug 24, 2012 10:42:16 GMT -5
I agree with glutton and chef. Perfecting the basics is normally the most effective. A jab/cross combo can be the most effective. A jab to stun or shock them and a cross to put them down.
I'll get fancy when sparring with backfists or palm strikes but in a real life situation, I stick to the basics.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Sept 5, 2012 19:20:33 GMT -5
Why is it that so many martial artist get into a fight and they go back to doing what they did before they began to learn martial arts? Before I began training I did the jab and cross. Then I began to train in boxing and learned to do it better.
Later I began to learn judo, jujitsu, karate, a few techniques from kung fu and some aikido. Since that time It has become natural for me to throw someone and choke someone. I'll still hit you, but if you don't fall with the hit you will from the throw. Thankfully I haven't gotten into any confrontations since I began aikido. So i don't know if it will come out naturally.
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Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Sept 6, 2012 0:50:21 GMT -5
I try to use the closest weapon to the closest available target that's succeptible to me.
like if my lead hand is the closest thing to my opponent and their face is the closest open target to my fist I'll take the most direct route there for the sake of efficiency but if a straight line isn't available I can still swing (hook/uppercut) or chop (backfist/hammerfist) from an angle .
as for jabs & crosses you can't do them without learning boxing that's like doing the oi-tsuki & choki-tsuki without ever taking karate lol
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Post by jwbulldogs on Sept 13, 2012 23:09:29 GMT -5
So no martial artist like the back fist or back knuckle strikes? No one knows how effective a good shuto strike is in dropping a guy?
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Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Sept 15, 2012 23:42:35 GMT -5
it depends on the situation really I like open hand shuto style chops in place of hammerfists for concentrating the force but the targets become more limited it seems.
for the back fist it's all about angles since I prefer the hammerfist but it's not as good at all angles.
In my style open hand chops, backfists & hammerfists are all just variations of the same arm swinging motion that imitates a sword chopping.
fore knuckle strikes are used too but more grazing than bludgeoning when chopping compared to thrusting or swinging which is more penetrating.
what do you mean by back knuckle strike btw? is it the same as a backfist?
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Post by jwbulldogs on Sept 17, 2012 1:22:18 GMT -5
No a back knuckle strike is not the same as a back fist. It looks similar but you have a different target and the strike is executed differently. Some may think it is the same just modified.
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Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Sept 18, 2012 11:47:09 GMT -5
that's interesting because all my strikes utilizing my back hand I call backfists even though I know like 10 variations but the thing is they all hit with the back knuckles so that's why I'm confused.
all 10 I know have different targets & angles available to them depending on your relative position because your supposed to launch your strike wherever your limb is so even though they all have a "primary" target it's not always accessible while others are.
can you explain the difference of a backfist strike & a backknuckle strike?
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