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Post by choc1202 on Jun 23, 2012 21:19:33 GMT -5
This is who will win and why. My answer. Tae Kwon Do of course! We have more of a dicipline, that not every wannabe tough guy does. Instead of randomly charging like a bull in a china shop at our oppenents we use our heads to decide when to attack. How many people do you see claiming to train MMA at public places? Usualy the people who get in fights. People who claim Tae Kwon Do? Only when neccesary do they fight! We also use quicker, stronger movements, and not having to rely on grappling and punches. I say as long as we keep a calm mind, and keep feet length distance, we could easy give any of you MMA practitioners a concussion, ending the fight. Thats how much MMA sucks ass. Any thouhts?
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Jun 23, 2012 21:38:00 GMT -5
Tell me how many MMA guys you see charging into a fight? I don't see many professional MMA fighters bullrushing an opponent. They use just as much tactics and technique to win a fight, if not more than a TKD fighter.
And you don't rely on grappling? Thats what puts you several steps behind us, because fights go to the ground. Whether you like it or not. And you can either pretend like it isn't a real issue, or you can train in it. Some fighters rely on it. Others train it in because they know its a reality. They're going in better prepared, then the guy who just doesn't train any ground work.
As for discipline, one could argue either way who has more. I don't see too many TKD guys going on hardcore diets, cutting weight, and training every day for any upcoming tournaments. Most TKD guys I see don't excude any form of discipline what so ever. Most teachers are fat, out of shape, and constantly bragging about their 6th degree black belts.
So really I don't think your argument has any real logical or coherent evidence to back up your claims.
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Post by choc1202 on Jun 23, 2012 22:09:18 GMT -5
Tell me how many MMA guys you see charging into a fight? I don't see many professional MMA fighters bullrushing an opponent. They use just as much tactics and technique to win a fight, if not more than a TKD fighter. And you don't rely on grappling? Thats what puts you several steps behind us, because fights go to the ground. Whether you like it or not. And you can either pretend like it isn't a real issue, or you can train in it. As for discipline, one could argue either way who has more. I don't see too many TKD guys going on hardcore diets, cutting weight, and training every day for any upcoming tournaments. Most TKD guys I see don't excude any form of discipline what so ever. Most teachers are fat, out of shape, and constantly bragging about their 6th degree black belts. So really I don't think your argument has any real logical or coherent evidence to back up your claims. I dont see every single mma dude in shape, some are fat. Nor TKD. And olympic TKD practitioner's train everyday an dare in tip top shape. It all depends on what tournament, if it was a world championship, id train all god damn day. Making the argument un-feasible. Also, a fight does not go to the ground if you do not want it to, and is easy to avoid with TKD. If you control the distance, you control the fight.You cannot get to me an dtackle me if im leg distance away kicking your head off.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 23, 2012 22:23:17 GMT -5
You both gave terrible examples IMHo
KW is comparing mma pros to mcdojos which are bull$#!+ and and chock1202 is talking about dumb loser kids who are stupid.
And tkd does have ground fighting they just don't rely on it they have a range theory like most styles starting at kicking since it's the longest, punching, elbows, knees & clinch fighting which is the closest then everything the same on the ground but there are over 70 kwoons and they all place emphases on different things.
MMA isn't even a style its a sport where people from many styles compete but mostly combat sports who cross train in a few different arts.
A MMA fighter could easily add TKD to their repertoire and be successful like Bas Rutten it's up to the practitioner if they can adapt their style to the rules of MMA and expoit every possible loophole they can for an advantage using whatever skill from various arts they have at their disposal.
Style vs style arguments are terrible but at least here we can actually discuss things and explain.
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Post by defendu on Jun 23, 2012 22:55:21 GMT -5
TKD is incorporated into MMA along with many other styles. I think a pro MMA fighter vs a pro TKD fighter, the MMA guy would win just because of all the other shit incorporated in his training. Muay Thai, BJJ, Boxing etc
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Post by friendlyvirus on Jun 23, 2012 23:20:23 GMT -5
i think this guy is anonymous drug addict, this claims he makes seem quite far fetched and with the intention to make people angry.
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Post by kane on Jun 23, 2012 23:39:07 GMT -5
Well it only takes one move to knock your opponent down,doesnt matter how many arts you know or how many martial arts you know...
at the end of the day,it comes down to the knockout move by the person with more fighting experience.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 23, 2012 23:54:47 GMT -5
it depends on the person and how good their training is at the end of the day I think since even if there was a best style in the world there would still be stupid people teaching it badly and dumb people learning it badly and giving it a bad name.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 24, 2012 5:44:37 GMT -5
Also, a fight does not go to the ground if you do not want it to, and is easy to avoid with TKD. If you control the distance, you control the fight.You cannot get to me an dtackle me if im leg distance away kicking your head off. This part right here is a load of crap. You made some good points before this, but this one is absolutely 100% inaccurate. BJJ fighters train day in and day out to take your distance away without getting their heats bashed in. Taekwondo fighters don't train to avoid takedowns every single day. The way to avoid a takedown is not with a kick. It's with a technique called sprawling. The absolute best way to keep from being taken down is to train with the best takedown artists. You won't find them in your Taekwondo school. I'll post a video of a personal acquaintance of mine, Mr. Scott Tannenbaum who is a local BJJ Black Belt under Rigan Machado, and a match of his well known on YouTube against a Black Belt in Taekwondo. Keep in mind, this is not meant to bash Taekwondo. It is simply meant to point out that Taekwondo without any real experience with grappling is not likely to defeat grappling, especially when it's combined with striking (in the video it's not). If you want to be a well rounded fighter, you'd better be training with specialists. Is there grappling in Taekwondo? Sure. But Taekwondo fighters are not grappling specialists.
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Post by odee on Jun 24, 2012 5:56:56 GMT -5
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 24, 2012 6:07:59 GMT -5
I love the Olympics, but I sure as hell won't be watching the Taekwondo. Judo, yes. It may be overly regulated, but it's still fun to watch people get thrown.
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Post by odee on Jun 24, 2012 6:12:58 GMT -5
Olympic Taekwando was a bore. The only up-side to staying awake to watch the Taekwando in China was being awake to watch the Judo, Boxing, Fencing and Wrestling highlights that followed it.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 24, 2012 6:47:12 GMT -5
Let's be honest, fencing is easily the most exciting of all the events you just listed.
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Post by MA Ray on Jun 24, 2012 11:12:37 GMT -5
@ Odee: Let's stereotype all the taekwondo olympic practitioners because of one stupid idiot with anger issues. Taekwondo does have discipline. I will say MMA can too. It's just that some MMA and TKD guys ruin it for everybody else due to their actions.
Now on to the matter of MMA vs TKD. First of all, you can't technically compare these two. MMA is not even a martial art. It literally just takes other martial arts like BJJ, Muay Thai, TKD, etc. and combines them. TKD is a martial art because it does have grappling, but if focuses on its strength, striking and has a unique emphasis on kicking. MMA should literally be translated to, "the combination of other martial arts". For example, it's like I have an ice cream. I really like chocolate and green mint. I only have a chocolate scoop though. The other guy across from me took chocolate and green mint. How can you compare these two when the other one is a mixture of both?
In my opinion, MMA is nothing special. Effective, but basically adding one style on top of another. Comparing this to other styles or arts makes no sense as this is a sport that combines and puts together those arts.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 24, 2012 12:53:47 GMT -5
if you compare all tkd guys to him you might as well compare all mma guys to the ones who beat their wives and rape women even there are only like 3 or4 known but you might as well say they all are if all tkd guys are like that one because thats what generalization is and you cant' single out tkd you have to generalize all to make it fair unless your opinion is biased.
and comparing the sport of mma to the sport of tks is like comparing the sport of soccer to the sport of lacrosse, sure 2 teams chase after a ball to score but everything they can do to win is different except a few things.
the art of tkd is much different than the sport and they are like 2 sides of the same coin but 95% of taekwondoin are athletes and never learn the military applications taught in the korean army like the korean soldiers are since it would be useless in competition and their civilians so why should they know military hand to hand combat?
Judo is another great example of a style with 2 sides to the same coin and on one it's a sport where only arm throws & arm locks are allowed and the other self defence side with various punches, kicks, elbows, knees & open hand strikes standing and on the ground but again 95% of judoka are athletes and never bothered to learn the whole style because it contradicts the sport & is often saved for advanced ranks.
Hell even glutton knows there are moves in muay thai that go against the rules that would get you banned from fighting if you used them in a match becasue there are 2 sides to the same coin, sport & self defence but most people can't accept that.
Just like kyokushin has it's grappling for the higher levels called goshin jutsu which is partially based on judo & aikijustu but karate has always had grappling so it's hard to tell exactly what's karate & whats not especially since gichin funakoshi & jigero kano got together and taught each other for a while.
Even the sambo manuals for ww2 were pure striking with open hand chops much like ww2 american combat judo and are still sambo even though they are illegal in competition.
Every sport style has 2 sides to it believe it or not.
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