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Post by gunter on Jul 8, 2012 5:14:10 GMT -5
its funny when it involves fat kids
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Post by odee on Jul 8, 2012 6:31:41 GMT -5
Fat kids bullying or being bullied?
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Post by gunter on Jul 8, 2012 6:37:16 GMT -5
being bullied
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Post by odee on Jul 8, 2012 6:49:07 GMT -5
The belly wave is sometimes good value.
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Post by gunter on Jul 8, 2012 6:53:02 GMT -5
I love fat kid jokes
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Post by odee on Jul 8, 2012 7:29:41 GMT -5
Sometimes. The one about the fat bloke getting trapped in the slide at wet and wild was pretty epic.
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Post by gunter on Jul 8, 2012 7:32:41 GMT -5
and the ones who need a wall removed to leave the house
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Post by odee on Jul 8, 2012 8:09:28 GMT -5
Ooh, that one made me laugh for weeks and laugh harder when I found out it was real. Who kept bringing the bastard food?
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Post by gunter on Jul 8, 2012 8:17:26 GMT -5
and it must have been a lot
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 8, 2012 8:22:56 GMT -5
I like when people make fun of people and they get shot and/or stabbed by the person they are making fun of and it's even better to watch 1st hand.
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Post by gunter on Jul 8, 2012 8:25:06 GMT -5
HAHA yeah
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Post by odee on Jul 8, 2012 19:24:31 GMT -5
Nah, too much blood makes me squirm. Not a promising sign when you're the first aider.
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Post by judomofo on Jul 9, 2012 11:47:09 GMT -5
Bullying is a complex issue, first and foremost it really depends on what the ages involved are, and defining bullying.
My son comes to me and says he was bullied at school, I asked him what happened and he tells me "So and so said I was stupid and that I farted all the time"... I have to explain to him while that might have hurt his feelings that isn't really "Bullying", to me bullying has to deal with causing real fear, be it through violence or threats of violence, that is something of concern, kids making fun of or picking on other kids isn't truly bullying to me.
But some of that is also generational, to me words were just words, where I lived bullying was getting beat up, or threatened to get beat up.
People now a days tend to be so PC that any thing that hurts a kids "self esteem" is called bullying, which just isn't true. You never develop self esteem if you can't deal with criticism or negativity, sheltering doesn't adequately prepare someone for life.
However, putting your hands on someone, or threatening to hurt them, is just like the adult world, justifiable reasons for self defense. Standing up to those who do that, as well as getting proper administration or authorities involved is needed to correct the action.
When a kid told my child he was going to bring a gun to school and shoot him and his family, well then I contacted school officials, as well as resource officer, even though the kid was in 2nd grade and most likely just talking, but that is the stuff that needs to be taken seriously. Not the "Hey fatty fat fat, you are ugly"... while hurtful words may indeed be tough on a child, that to me is something for a child to overcome because in one way or another he is going to face criticism and being put down by other people all his life.
But picking on the fat kid isn't necessarily bullying to me. Shoving the fat kid is.
I think defining bullying is important, and realizing the rules are different for children then they are adults.
Telling a kid that if a kid shoves you, for them to go straight kicking the other kid in the balls is perfectly legit advice. Overwhelming response to physical violence is what is needed in physical bullying, however who knows these days. To me, in Martial Arts there are some instructors who still teach that way to adults...
A guy punches you, you do everything you can to hurt him as badly and quickly as possible. The difference is adults can hurt other adults much easier than kids can hurt other kids.
A kid can be mounted on another kid punching for 3 minutes and the kid on the bottom might end up with a black eye.
A guy dropping punches and elbows to a downed opponent can easily knock someone out and kill them.
Kids are almost always near some supervision, a fight will go on, but it is going to get broken up at some point.
Not always the same with 2 adults.
Two kids fighting might end in school suspension at most.
Two adults fighting could end in arrest, civil lawsuits, and death.
So to me there is a slight diference in how I train kids to deal with bullying situations, then how I train adults in dealing with physical confrontations.
But I define bullying when it comes to a point of real fear of the kid's safety or well being as opposed to whether or not his feelings are getting hurt. But that is just my two cents.
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Post by Johnnie on Jul 9, 2012 12:59:48 GMT -5
A fight will be broken up at some point? Dude, I've only ever been in a fight once in my life, and that was in 8th grade INSIDE THE DAMN CLASSROOM. Me and this girl were flirting back and forth while texting in class, guess what? She had a boyfriend. Right when the period ended, he got up and shoved me out of nowhere against the desk and told me if I thought he was stupid or something. His girlfriend had already walked out the door, and the teacher (about 30 years old) told us to calm down and was heading towards us, before you know it, this faggot (His name is Carlos I don't care for his identity.) raised his fist, I reacted faster and punched him in the chest (he was taller) and knocked the air out of him, he dropped his head to my chest and was throwing haymakers while I was hammer fisting the shit out of the back of his head. Guess what the teacher was doing? Screaming "STOP FIGHTING!!! STOP STOP!!!!" and didn't even fucking bother stepping in. Finally when Carlos started telling me to stop I pushed him away. It ended because it ENDED. Not because we were being supervised. For Christ's sake everything escalated infront of the teacher. Bye bye Private school, Hello Public school! lol
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 10, 2012 0:11:39 GMT -5
I agree with judomofo that bully is when it gets physical or the threat of being physical. However, what do you do and what do you call it when they are hurting the self esteem of a child? This is still hurtful and could lead to a variety of things. We have had teens and younger kill themselves or cut themselves as a result of that behavior. It still needs to be addressed.
You did the right thing by calling the authorities. I worked in a school district for about 14 years. We had a second grader that was being bullied and teased. He did bring a gun to school. He wanted to kill several kids that had been bullying him. Another kids found out about the gun and told. The kid got no more than a 10 day suspension. I was upset! My son also attended that school. I know he was being bullied and the adults did little to stop it. But bringing a gun should have been expulsion. I didn't know the Safe Schools Act at the time but later after being asked to chair that committee I learned that any weapons on the school's ground is an expulsion. There was a meeting about the incident. I showed up as a parent instead of an employee. The superintendent explained why the kid was only suspended. The gun wasn't loaded and it had a lock on it. He couldn't have fired it if he wanted. My question to him was what was his plans for bringing a firearm: Was he planning on killing someone. The response was yes, but he couldn't hurt anyone with an unloaded gun that has a lock on it. I wanted to tell him give the the unloaded gun and we'll see if it is still a deadly weapon unloaded with a lock. Had this taken place in any other community that kid would have been expelled. Some years later a new student to our school that fought almost weekly. I used to wear suits everyday, but I stopped wearing them on Fridays because I knew I would have to break up or stop the kid from fighting. Most of the other staff would just stand back and ask the kids to stop fighting. Well this kid open up their book bag and pulled out a knife and told a kid now I'm going to cut you. I didn't who was the other kid but the halls cleared so fast that only 2 were left in the halls. I got between them and use kote gaeshi and politely said drop the knife. I asked nicely 3 time putting a little more pressure each time. But after the 3rd time I applied a lot more pressure cause the knife to drop. I held the wrist lock until the vice principal came to our floor to help. Later the police came and said I heard there was a knife? Where is it. I was told the kid look downs towards there wrist and said I had it and was still holding it limp. Again this kid only got a 10 day suspension. The knife was brought that day for the purpose of cutting that other student. It was premeditated.
My son experienced the teasing in his school because he was smart. The teacher would say only 1 person got an A the entire class would say his name. The teacher would give out blue cards to students when they were found doing something right. He had the most cards everyday. The teacher would the the other students that they should be like him. He had to ask the teacher not to do that because that would only make it worst. My son also trained with me. I told him to walk away from fights and to tell a teacher or someone else of authority. I took off sever occasions to meet with the teachers, counselor, and principal follow the chain of command. But the children continue because there was little or no consequences. Eventually I told the principal that he was only going to take so much before he he handle sit himself. Well one day I was just up there for a visit and he didn't see me. I saw the a few of the kids bothering him. He attempted to walk away but was still being harassed. The next then I saw was him grabbing this kid throwing him into the fence and was about hurt him. I stopped it, but I wanted to let him teach the kid a lesson. My son cried because he knew how bad he wanted to hurt that kid and he thought he was going to get in trouble. I explained he will never be in trouble with me for defending himself. When teacher didn't break up the fights in the school he did with the things he was taught in class. I had to tell him to stop doing that too. That is the school's job. Later one of the main kids that harassed him was at it again. This time in a classroom. I had told the principal that you weren't going to suspend my child if he decides to take matters into his own hands. We have done things the right way but a person can only take so much. At some point no matter what I say he is going to fight back if things don't change. Well this day the kids kept telling the teacher that my son and that other kid are about to fight. The teacher ignored them and even said oh let them fight. This teacher is also a brown belt in TKD who got my son to do a demonstration with her and he broke some boards. He might have been 7 when they did the demonstration. Well he slammed the kid onto the computers and then onto the floor. He was on top of the kid and the other kids had to pull him off. Of course now the principal calls me about my son slamming this kid. My wife and I showed up and I again told her you aren't suspending him. We alerted you of this ongoing problem and you didn't take care of it. In reality there was nothing I could do to stop them from suspending him. They got statements from all of the kids that said they all were guilty of harassing him and why. They were jealous. Most of those kids hadn't seen or done anything out of their community. When they were asked who has been there or done this my son was the only one that had been places, flown in a plane, traveled, etc. He got good grades and didn't get in trouble. No one got suspended. All of the kids apologized and that teacher was made to apologize to us. She though she was going to lose her job. I really didn't need for her to apologize. I just wanted he to do her job and for the school to provide a safe place for all children to learn.
Again my son was afraid that he was going to get in trouble and that he was going to get suspended. I told him that even if he got suspended he wasn't in trouble with us for defending himself. Apparently the guy took a swing at him and that is when he threw him on the computer and on to the floor. I told him not to throw them on the computers from now on. I have to fix the computers. Just throw them on the ground...lol I worked in the technology department so he knew I worked on the computers. I was trying to use a little humor to get him to relax, but he didn't find anything funny right then.
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