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Post by yaoshuya on Jun 26, 2012 19:16:39 GMT -5
Who in your opionon would be a better martial artist someone who has character and has the heart to train all the time , and have the heart to win , or someone who was born with being good at fighting
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Post by youxia on Jun 26, 2012 19:46:44 GMT -5
Always the heart. Genetics can only take you so far, but I'd argue with strong enough willpower and hard work, anything is possible.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 27, 2012 11:24:58 GMT -5
Definitely heart. Think about it, if somebody was born with a natural talent for fighting but doesn't have a ton of heart, how much time do you expect them to dedicate to further advancing their fighting ability? Maybe they'll join a gym of some kind to try to get better, but barely put any time or effort into it because they don't have the dedication to it that they need to keep advancing. But somebody with a huge amount of heart that starts training is the type of person that makes it into the UFC and beats the ever loving crap out of their competition.
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Post by odee on Jul 7, 2012 1:00:04 GMT -5
The guys winning in the UFC have both, the heart that doesn't give up and the body that lets the heart keep beating through the beatings. Seriously it doesn't matter how much heart you have if your body fails on you and having just a strong body will get a person much further than just having a valiant heart. It's not fair but it is the truth. Look at Brock Lesnar or Bas Rutten, their hearts and bodies got them the titles in the UFC but once their bodies said "No more" that was the end of it no matter how strong their hearts are. Chuck Liddell is in the same boat, his heart told him not to give up but his body had gotten old and couldn't take the abuse anymore, three consecutive knockout losses and his heart finally agreed. That's not a weak heart, that's the same heart that got him the UFC title and held it finally realising that the body is fucked.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jul 7, 2012 7:53:47 GMT -5
I think Brock may be a bad example considering that he's either obviously a roid monkey or was born with some kind of undiagnosed muscle condition that didn't actually manifest itself until his late teen years. Seriously, there are limits to how much muscle mass one can develop naturally and formulas that have been developed to help people determine how much their maximum possible gain in mass would be. Brock's makes no sense at all without roids.
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Post by odee on Jul 18, 2012 4:49:08 GMT -5
I haven't seen Brock's family tree so I'm not going to argue that. But there have been cases of people who mature at incredible rates and are like 90 year olds in their fourties. I know that one of my friends had it and he put on muscle mass like crazy just going to the gym twice a week, he's thirty two, has salt and pepper hair, wrinkles and needs glasses. If Brock had something like that it's entirely possible that he did it without the juice, although it's also possible he used the juice and his metabolism flushed it from his body quickly before and possibly during his wrestling days when he built all that muscle. It would also explain his muscles turning to goop now.
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Post by ZenGenesis on Jul 23, 2012 12:21:31 GMT -5
The one with heart. Just because you were born with fighting instincts doesn't mean you're better. You have to train the mind, body, and soul.
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Post by odee on Jul 26, 2012 7:04:36 GMT -5
If you have chalk for bones you're going to get beaten down no matter how badly you want to stay upright. The heart isn't going to change that.
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