ZenGenesis
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Post by ZenGenesis on Jul 2, 2012 3:19:36 GMT -5
I've heard some gyms and schools offer them. I've also heard Boxing gyms are starting to offer belt levels too.
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Post by the tank on Jul 2, 2012 13:19:56 GMT -5
Krav Maga I know has a rank system, not sure about belts.
Kickboxing and boxing although uncommon, some gyms are starting to adopt it.
To say "I have a ___ belt in kickboxing/boxing" sounds pretty stupid to me.
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aaronj
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Post by aaronj on Jul 2, 2012 16:06:49 GMT -5
I've never heard of a kKrav Maga school with a belt system. Only a certification system.
haha and I agree with frankthetank on number two!
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Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 2, 2012 16:31:21 GMT -5
I've heard of a belt system in krav maga and I'm pretty sure Judomofo has a black belt or something.
I've also heard of belts in kickboxing since the founder of the gym did kyokushin and competed in kickboxing and won a lot and loved it so he started teaching kyokushin as kickboxing wich isn't really wrong since kickboxing isn't really a style of it's own it's more like pure stand up mma.
But a belt in boxing other than a championship belt is lame.
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Post by kokoro on Jul 2, 2012 16:52:36 GMT -5
i talked to judomofo about krav maga belt system. i believe he disagreed with it. only certain organizations use it he judomofo doesnt hold a belt rank that i know of his organization went by levels. i know he was up there in them.
he had a great explanation of it too i wish i still had the message he sent me that time about it
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Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 2, 2012 17:08:14 GMT -5
oh sorry maybe I read his thing wrong then lol but I know it had something to do with it's influence from judo if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by kokoro on Jul 2, 2012 17:52:32 GMT -5
he is a G-4 in IKMF at least thats what it says on is ya page im not sure what that means though, i think its an instructor level or something.
im not sure if it influenced his judo or his judo influenced kv.
he does respond when you message him on ya
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Post by judomofo on Jul 10, 2012 10:05:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately there is so many different Krav organizations now.
Krav Maga American Association uses belt, they are a branch under Darren Levine, who himself is a legit bad ass, however a lot of those schools using the belt system are some of the more watered down versions of Krav.
Darren Levine and Eyal Yanilov were the two highest ranked students of Imi Sde-Or, they are the only one who essentially have the "master" rank.
The International Krav Maga Federation uses levels, 5 Practitioner levels, so P1-5, 5 Graduate levels G1-5, and 5 Expert Levels E1-5.
Frankly IKMF is the head of it all, or was for a long time. It is the system they use in Israel.
It is also used by Krav Maga Global, which the IKMF has sort of morphed into. Eyal Yanilov was founder of IKMF and KMG, and I tend to lean more towards that side of the house.
I've trained with Darren Levine and he is awesome, however KMAA often holds two or three week "instructor" courses, in which personal trainers essentially go to, get a nice little Krav Maga instructor certificate, and start claiming they can teach Krav... which amounts to Cardio KRav... i.e. Tae Bo with eye gouges.
Krav is awesome when trained properly, and even better if you have a background.
Krav is probably one of the last arts I took, by that time I was already Dan ranked in Judo and Uechi Ryu Karate, been doing BJJ for two years or so and had been fighting in MMA.
I took a ton away from Krav, it will hone instinctive reaction, help recognition and reaction to threats, and give you a whole new mindset regarding some things.
However, what Krav will not do is refine mechanics to techniques. It doesn't spend time teaching you how to punch harder, (it helps to train to remove hesitance from throwing the punch), or kick better, or perfom a technique better, that is not its intention, it doesn't spend a ton of time perfecting technique, it spends its time on getting you to react faster.
In the mindset of Krav, you don't need to know how to throw the most perfect punch against an attacker, you merely need to overwhelm them with sheer ferocity before they can even register that you have chosen to counter attack.
So not a lot of time is spent learning how to put all your body weight behind an elbow, or turning your hips over for a kick, or which knuckles to hit with, etc.
Hence having a background and experience in other arts helps augment Krav exceptionally, and I think having Krav to augment your other arts works very well.
But yeah boxing or kickboxing belt levels are given because of sheer Bullshido. Housewives want to train in kickboxing but of course never want to get in a kickboxing match.
In reality your "rank" in boxing or kickboxing is your record. If you don't have one, what does the creative money seeking McDojo boxing/kickboxing instructor do... give out belts for all those people who don't actually fight in a boxing or kickboxing match.
In fact most McDojo's sport "Kickboxing" as part of what they teach, and it amounts little more to Cardio Kickboxing really.
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