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Post by the tank on Jun 19, 2012 9:30:14 GMT -5
Ever since I started karate when I was a teen, I was taught to hit with the two big knuckles, which was easy to remember.
Currently with some combat sports such as muay thai being more popular, you have to use at least 16oz gloves when sparring, I've been lucky to have great muay thai instructors (some of them with karate background as well), who explained in detail how to properly punch even with gloves.
Different instructors will have little variations, but I'm wondering, do you rotate your wrist when you punch with gloves? I've seen some instructors do it, and some who don't, I've tried both ways with effective results, but I would like to hear from other people's knowledge/experience about the subject.
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Post by cheetah on Jun 19, 2012 11:33:23 GMT -5
I lock my wrist and rotate my core/hips and shoulder. I would think rotating your wrist could lead to joint problems as the wrist is a pretty weak area.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 19, 2012 15:26:59 GMT -5
I punch with my entire fist. It's not how I was trained in Muay Thai, but in CMA and particularly while I was training in a family Iron Palm method. No injuries to my hands even when hitting the bag with no gloves or wraps, which I do quite regularly. When I try to hit with the front two knuckles I tend to end up with wrist sprains because it forces me to bend my wrist at an odd angle. When I punch, I keep my wrist completely straight and in line and that never happens.
My punch is very boxing styled, not so much Muay Thai styled (more hip, less pivot is how we're taught, but I get more power by grinding peanuts).
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Post by yaoshuya on Jun 19, 2012 18:20:24 GMT -5
In boxing I was taught to hit with either my two big knuckles like you were or taught to hit with the top 3 knuckles
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Post by laoshi on Jun 19, 2012 20:27:04 GMT -5
I was taught to hit with the first two knuckles in Boxing and the entire fist in Sanshou and Wing Chun. Jack Dempsey used the entire fist. Makes me wonder what the bare knuckle Boxers used. I suspect the entire fist.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 19, 2012 21:45:50 GMT -5
Another San Shou guy? I'm jealous. My martial arts career started with Kung Fu and I'd love to try San Shou, but alas there isn't any in my area that I can find.
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Post by odee on Jun 20, 2012 8:25:58 GMT -5
Depends on the gloves. For MMA style gloves I punch much the same as I do bare-knuckle, just a bit less carefully. For heavy gloves I lock my wrists with wraps. I've been trying to ween myself off the wrap-lock with bagwork and jumpin' push-ups but as soon as I get tired my wrists roll inside the bigger gloves.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 20, 2012 15:24:01 GMT -5
Hey Odee, what is your bare knuckle method? 2 knuckle?
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Post by the tank on Jun 20, 2012 16:13:40 GMT -5
Very interesting posts, I would've thought that in sanshou punching was the same as in boxing, I thought wrong.
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Post by odee on Jun 20, 2012 16:26:22 GMT -5
@glutton Yeah, standard two knuckle fare.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jun 21, 2012 1:54:31 GMT -5
There are a variety of striking methods. Most don't appear to be taught much today. Of course we have the standard 2 knuckles. We also have the 1 "knuckle" It's not the knuckle but I can't think of what it is. It is when you bend the middle finger and use that joint to strike a small area. This is done also with 2 or 4. It is much like toe kicks, You don't see them taught very often today. Edit: I had to find an image of what I was talking about. www.kj2.co.uk/page3.htm
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Post by odee on Jun 21, 2012 18:48:59 GMT -5
That's a reminder. I do use a variety of punches, I've just never considered them punches before. I use the middle knuckle of my middle finger for digging strikes into muscle when I'm on the ground. I don't use it when I'm on my feet because I can generate enough power for the two big knuckles do the job well enough with a lot less risk.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 21, 2012 19:04:35 GMT -5
I follow bare knuckle boxing like it's my bible and theu use all the knuckles aiming with the middle two so you always hit with either the top 2 or the bottom 3
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Post by kokoro on Jun 21, 2012 19:44:01 GMT -5
i have learned so many variations i lost track. i have been told to strike with the first two, others have told me to strike with both the top and bottom two. some with one. and then there is how to properly make a fist on top of that
the only think i would add to everyone else is the position of the thumb will strengthen and weaken the wrist, the angle of the fist upon impact can also increase or decrease power. do you even need to form a full fist to strike? if you strike correctly you can strike with your fingers or hand open, most people wont strike properly and have to form a full fist
it all depends upon what you are trying to accomplish.
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Post by talon on Jun 22, 2012 17:53:45 GMT -5
In the all the martial arts I've learned it has always been the rule to keep a "straight wrist" {which gives it strength & prevents injury} & your strikes will be fine, never mind which knuckles you hit with. {although the 2 knuckles are the most popular taught}. To check this {gloved or not} throw a punch & stop it out in front of you. If you have thrown it with a "straight wrist", the back of your hand & forearm should make a perfectly straight line {so if you put a ruler on it, there would be no gap}, so to should the back knuckle & the radius bone {inside ridge of forearm, if you have palm down}. This works for the majority of punches bag or sparring or full contact gloved/bare knuckle & as yet I have had no injuries & I have been told by my those who taught me that my technique is excellent & has very good power/strength.
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