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Post by the tank on Jun 19, 2012 9:39:48 GMT -5
How hard do you think people should go when sparring? not for competitions. I've been lucky enough to spar with people who fight amateur and professionally, in both muay thai and MMA (getting beat up in the process) , sometimes it feels very tough (specially when they are larger sparring partners), but it's part of realistic training. What's your opinion on how hard a person should go during sparring? - For competitions. - Casual training (like me, I don't plan to fight). - Beginners.
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Post by cheetah on Jun 19, 2012 11:38:31 GMT -5
I break sparring down to two seperate areas. Learning/training to spar and real sparring. When teaching somone how to spar, we move slow, showing students how to watch the body movement to anticipate where they're going. But when we spar, we spar hard. If I get hit, I want it to hurt, so hopefully I learn not to make that mistake again. I am a big believer in "aliveness" that KW talks about so often. What good would it do to have someone sparring at 50% speed, that's not going to do anyone any good in the ring, on the mat, or in the street. Same goes in my opinion with self defense techniques. If I'm going to try to get out of a lapel grab, or a headlock or a bear hug, I want them torquing down on me so it is difficult to get out of. Otherwise, what am I really doing?
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 19, 2012 15:01:05 GMT -5
In the beginning, it's important not to force a newbie into full contact. Start at their pace and lay just a bit of pressure on them. 99% of the time that's all that's needed to get them lifting their chin, dropping their hands, and forgetting everything they've been taught, because let's be honest: In the beginning, ANY sparring is at least a little bit scary and makes new students nervous.
It's important to remember that Sparring isn't about beating the crap out of your classmates. Nobody wins in a sparring match. It's there for learning. That said, once a student is getting better, it's best to start upping the contact levels. Go quicker, hit harder, and get to the point that you're as close to a fight as possible in your sparring. Why? Because the more pressure you're forced to take in training, the more pressure you'll be ready for in a fight whether you plan to fight in the ring or on the street if you're having a bad day. Often, students will get so used to the light sparring that once you mutually agree to go harder, the same bad habits they showed in their first sparring sessions start to pop up all over again.
That said, what's best isn't always what people are comfortable doing. My wife wouldn't be comfortable sparring full contact, and there's really no changing her mind on that. It's good to ask when you touch gloves how hard your sparring partner wants to go. My guess is that most people already do this, but if not it's good to do so. Don't be the guy that beats the crap out of somebody that isn't ready to spar at your level. There's really no learning to be done there.
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Post by peppermillk on Jun 20, 2012 12:02:39 GMT -5
I think a lot of people mistake sparring for fighting. They're two different things. Sparring shouldn't be 100% unless both can maintain proper form whilst doing so. And that would take a long long time to get to that stage. You want to maintain your form at all costs, sparring too hard to early directly undermines this. Yes, it isn't realistic to go at 50% speed but that's why its called training. You're training up to the point when you can apply what you've learnt into a real situation. It takes time but that's how you learn good form and then utilize it when you want to. If you spar at 100% or even 70% more often than not if the persons only trained for a couple of months or even years they`ll instinctively buckle under pressure and loss form. Equals bad. Sparring is practicing not testing your abilities by fighting.
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Post by odee on Jun 21, 2012 22:57:52 GMT -5
Depends on if you're treating sparring as your testing stage or not. I usually go with whatever my opponent wants but if they're going 70% down to 50% I'll use it as a testing session and go a bit over the top to trial new combinations. More than 70% I tend to stick to what I know works, personally I'm happy to have both. Less than 50% tends to mean I'm dealing with a kid so I'm more worried about getting them to test new stuff and hit as hard as they can than my own sparring.
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Post by rollingrock128 on Jul 15, 2012 15:57:24 GMT -5
i spar with a pro who kicks my ass on a regular basis. i go hard he goes like 60 70 percent. there is this other amateur fighter that spars like hes in a fight that i spar with. like if you kinda rock someone or hurt someone you wait for them to gain there barrings this guy will go for the kill if your hurt. some people are douchebags some ppl are normal. Then we have the guys who think they are really good but they suck and after the spar they talk shit as if i went hard as possible i wouldnt ruin you.
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Post by aaronj on Jul 16, 2012 14:16:04 GMT -5
I'm on board with glutton4punishment on this one. You definitely want to spar intelligently and with the 'warrior's compassion' concerning your sparring partners. Even then injuries happen. I broke a rib one time during a 3-1 night spar. It was probably the most fun I've ever had, but taking a month to heal, with the breathing pain was a bit much.
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Post by cw6jess on Jul 16, 2012 15:45:33 GMT -5
When I first started we started a teaching spar.. But when my brother and I go at it we try to go full force with our techniques so it's like a real fight.
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Post by judomofo on Jul 17, 2012 8:04:46 GMT -5
How hard do you think people should go when sparring? not for competitions. I've been lucky enough to spar with people who fight amateur and professionally, in both muay thai and MMA (getting beat up in the process) , sometimes it feels very tough (specially when they are larger sparring partners), but it's part of realistic training. What's your opinion on how hard a person should go during sparring? - For competitions. - Casual training (like me, I don't plan to fight). - Beginners. I believe in elevated levels of sparring, by percentage. After working techniques, I might ask students to give no resistance. Then 20% resistance. For sensitivity and timing training for something we might have 50% sparring, we go for full speed but 50% power. Eventually we end up at 100%, though everyone's hundred percent is different. When it comes to striking we go 100% below the neck, 10 to 20% on the head, with headgear, enough for you to feel it, and even in some cases get flash KO'd. But light enough to repeatedly train at. For beginners, I generally let them start with a more experienced student, and let the beginner do what they want, while expecting the more experienced student to simply react or work on timing, and things such as left handed techniques, nuanced foot sweeps and things of that nature instead of outright counters. This allows the new person to kind of go at the their own pace, when they realize they aren't going to get killed, generally their confidence level will start to ramp up as will their intensity. For the Hobbyist, i.e. someone not training for competetion, there really isn't any difference. Training is mutual benefit, you help those training for competetion by giving your all, and as a side product you become better yourself period. The only difference is mainly you might not get pushed as hard by the Sensei/coaches as someone prepping for a fight or tourney... they are the one getting stuck in the middle, having to take on fresh class mates over and over again until they are puking from exhaustion. Either way you learning at the same intensity not only benefits you greatly, but is good for your training partners. It's mutually beneficial and for both of your welfare. At least the way I see it. Funny, many times I see more heart and determination in a hobbyist, someone with no intention of fighting in competetion, out there giving it 100% and pushing past fatigue and pain, and still going when those prepping for a competetion are over and done with. In fact I see that more, then a hobbyist taking a break while everyone else is banging... but ramping up for a tournament, if someone not competing takes a break on the side to catch his breath, I am not going to go all drill seargant on him like I would someone prepping for the tournament. Most of the time I never have to worry about that, hobbyist do it for pure love, and as such generally put even more heart, passion, and intensity in it then someone seeking trophies.
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Post by odee on Jul 18, 2012 2:37:40 GMT -5
I've always struggled with this level of power thing. I'm either going 100% speed and using 100% power or going 100% speed and using no contact. Any decrease in power means an equal decreasing in speed.
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Post by rikashiku on Aug 2, 2012 5:04:09 GMT -5
Light to full contact, just no knock out strikes or excessive aggression.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Aug 4, 2012 10:45:32 GMT -5
rikashiku- I have a spectrum I use like yours ranging from lightest to hardest and lightest is like point karate and hardest is like mma where people are going for the k.o but there are so many rules it's not that dangerous if you know what your doing but I understand what you mean but I say it's important. and yes I call sparring what combat sports athletes call fighting, problem?
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