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Post by yaoshuya on Jul 27, 2012 1:09:16 GMT -5
Most of the time i throw kicks in martial arts , however on the street i use mostly punches
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 1:27:14 GMT -5
odee.....I didn't say anything about his grade stopping you or anyone from disagreeing with him. Chill out and relax. It's all good. I put it in so people know he is also a TM artist and to answer a private message I got asking if he had any idea about TMA's or was just a boxing or MMA fanboy. Some ppl on here are so touchy, thats one of the reasons I lost interest in YA's. Lets all just be calm and leave that kind of stuff in the warzone.
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Post by odee on Jul 27, 2012 3:11:37 GMT -5
I'm not touchy. I'm just noisy and opinionated...possibly overly opinionated. But seriously kicks have been stepped on far too often by people claiming to be "Self defense experts" just because it doesn't work for them. User error is one of the biggest reasons for people screwing kicks up and it just irritates me that they blame the kick. I just want to grab them and shake them and yell at them "THE KICK DIDN'T FUCK YOU UP YOU IDIOT! YOU FUCKED THE KICK UP!!!!".
'ahem'
Kicks still have a good reputation in MMA and all manner of full contact styles.
Some light entertainment.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 27, 2012 3:22:33 GMT -5
odee- true but a fight & a self defence situation aren't always the same thing, the former implies 2 people fighting while the other implies defence of your life of anay kind even running if it works. martial arts are so complicated I could only imagine if I get to 45 years of martial arts training like pugpaws what I'll know compared to know I might have it all wrong or be just slightly off or right on who knows lol you can still get hurt fighting which means you failed to successfully defend yourself as good as you could have.
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Post by odee on Jul 27, 2012 9:45:06 GMT -5
Chef, I've been hurt fighting but outside of a dou mawashigeri/suicide kick I've never managed to put myself on the ground while trying to put someone else down. It's this thing called judgement. To put it simply I don't use kicks unless I judge them the best possible option. Honestly I don't put a great amount of stock in Pug's opinions and beliefs. I respect his depth of knowledge but I don't think the same way he does and doubt I ever will.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 27, 2012 10:12:56 GMT -5
that's what I always talk about man is judgement because doing a technique perfectly is useless if you don't know how to make it work when someones trying to hurt you and that all comes down to you judging time & distance and all the other million variables but they should be trained so they are instinctive so you don't take precious time to have to think about them.
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Post by yaoshuya on Jul 27, 2012 15:49:45 GMT -5
The problem with me is most of the time martial artist fight calm , and smart , but when i fight on the street im mad , so i cant really think what to do except punch , even tho if been in martial arts since i was a little kid i just dont know how to control it yet , im still working on it .
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Post by aaronj on Jul 27, 2012 21:31:10 GMT -5
I've wiped the floor with mid=level Dan when I was still a kyu, so I also don't put too much stock into rank. Unless I work with the person, see their work, or spend enough time talking with them to discern their level of competence, I view everybody as generally equal. Raising or lowering from my POV comes after the aforementioned experiences.
I've used kicking in three self defense situations. I fell once, but succeeded in all three occasions with either knocking out my attacker or incapacitating them. That said, each situation is different, and it all depends on the circumstances as to what you are going to do. I've also punched, avoided being struck, and grappled in my defense situations.
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Post by rikashiku on Aug 2, 2012 4:33:09 GMT -5
I always use kicks. It is a habit I built from Taekwondo and Muay Thai for all these years. You can drop anyone with just one kick, but it takes a lot of effort to take someone down with several punches or throws or grappling techniques.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Aug 3, 2012 13:17:53 GMT -5
@rikishiku- that`s not true it can work both ways for punches, throws & kicks they can end a fight in one shot or it may take a few.
a straight cross to the throat or back of the head is almost always a fight finisher so is a drop on the head or falling on your opponent with your elbow in his gut with a judo throw.
it's a matter of being being able to execute it to full effect or not because sometimes your technique is flawed from the nature of the struggle.
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Post by rikashiku on Aug 3, 2012 23:41:12 GMT -5
How many people will expect a kick in a fight? You're right, that any kind of strike can be lucky enough to pack enough power to take an opponent out, but punches are just so common.
Punches are to obvious, Elbows and knees are to short, but this is just me and how I like to work. My best weapons are my kicks, and I feel that other strikes are just to common and short.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Aug 4, 2012 10:11:57 GMT -5
I expect everything so of course I expect my opponents to kick I also expect they are out to kill me any way they can without mercy so I have to defend myself any way I can.
If the fight starts at long range I will use kicks if it's right but if it starts out as an argument face to face my kicking options are limited and I've been in more fights that start face to face than where someone comes rushing in from 20 feet and I kick them lol
and it's in that face to face range I like to be but if it doesn't start therew I still have my kicks.
again it's about how it happens and there are too many variables to train just 1 or 2 things we have our whole bodys to use so why don't we use them? because our style doesn't teach it? historically it did...
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Post by rikashiku on Aug 8, 2012 0:39:25 GMT -5
You would, but not everyone would. Something people should learn is that Long Range actually means out of reach. Short range is when both fighters can reach each other no problem. Mid Range is when they can reach each other at a longer distance. Long Range is out of reach. Ok?
Like I always say, "End the fight fast".
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Post by Chef Samurai on Aug 8, 2012 11:28:39 GMT -5
your very close but I think a bit off I see it like this
free range- out of reach from each other where even the longest range attacks can't reach eacother like 2 people doing lunging front kicks still wont touch and this is more of a weapons range but unnarmed it's safe zone.
long range- from the longest range kicks being furthest to the longest range punch being the closest of this range.
mid range- your straight punching range whit short kicks thrown.
close range- your close range striking range with ebows, knees, headbuts, short punches, short kicks, trapping, throws etc.
of course they all overlap like from long rang if your kick is caught you immediately skip mid & short range and end up in close range right away.
and if your fight starts as a face to face argument how far do you have to step back to gt a good kick in which is all telegraphing while face to face all I have to do is quickly bring up my elbow up to hit them in the chin while they are still yelling and I end the fight before it started instead if backing up 3 or 4 feet and have him move with me lol
and long range still being weapons range is bad especially if they have it concealed and you don't know then next thing you know you think your out of reach then next thing you know buddy got 4 feet of extra reach now tour right in range for a pummeling lol
in the end it comes down to circumstances and I'd rather be nose to nose with a guy with a baseball bat than at long range because that's where he can get his big swings with but up close it's really akward and next to impossible to use but if he has a knife all he has to do it poke me with it at close range and I'm screwed but if we were at long range he would have to close the distance and I would have a better chance to intercept.
I agree with you on that too end the fight fast!!! but backing up 4 feet to do a good kick isn't as fast as a quick elbow to the jugular but that's just my 2 cents.
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Post by rikashiku on Aug 9, 2012 4:19:42 GMT -5
For me, long range is out of reach. Mid is more like punch and kick. A short mans punches will be his own mid range but if he kicked he can't get the long reach as another taller person. So it cant be long range unless both men are capable of this range. Short range is more like elbows, knees and grappling. Mid is long arm and leg strikes and long is out of reach where neither fighters can reach each other.
I don't think people have 4 foot long legs. The good thing about side kicks is that they can be drawn from a short range and shoot out to full extension. You don't need a great distance to use kicks. This is why I use kicks more than anything else when I'm in a fight, because I'm good with them.
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