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Kiai
Jul 15, 2012 17:49:20 GMT -5
Post by youxia on Jul 15, 2012 17:49:20 GMT -5
Does anyone do kiai shouting?
What is it for?
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Chef Samurai
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Kiai
Jul 15, 2012 21:21:09 GMT -5
Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 15, 2012 21:21:09 GMT -5
I've learned different things about kiai but this is what I think.
In styles like kung fu they don't shout when they do a kiai but just breathe out really hard.
I think a true kiai is just breathing out so hard the noise is so loud it sounds like yelling but it's just breathing.
Yelling goes against the relaxed nature of mushin while breathing goes along perfectly with it.
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Kiai
Jul 15, 2012 21:55:33 GMT -5
Post by drunior on Jul 15, 2012 21:55:33 GMT -5
Kiai is mostly seen as a way to psych oneself up or intimidate the opponent. It can get the opponent off guard sometimes if you have a strong kiai at the moment of an attack.
Kiai is also used to help you coordinate your body with your breathing, like how you exhale during a weight training exercise during moment of exertions.
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Kiai
Jul 16, 2012 12:53:05 GMT -5
Post by cw6jess on Jul 16, 2012 12:53:05 GMT -5
In Shou' Shu' we were taught to Kiai whenever we were releasing a major amount of energy into an attack.
While sparring though, we were told just to breath out a relaxed kiai into every attack.
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Jul 16, 2012 14:02:08 GMT -5
Post by aaronj on Jul 16, 2012 14:02:08 GMT -5
A kiai should NEVER be a shout, and should NEVER last longer than the split second of the technique. chefsamurai is right in that the sound is just a result of the breathing. Kiai literally means spirit meeting. A kiai can either be audible or not, and properly has no defined placement in any kata, as it should be able to be used with any technique.
A kiai is not about psyching oneself up, nor is it a battle cry. A battle cry is a battle cry, and is used in psyching oneself up and terrifying the opponent.
chefsamurai was also correct in exclaiming that yelling counteracts the very principle of martial technique in remaining relaxed.
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Jul 16, 2012 14:12:29 GMT -5
Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 16, 2012 14:12:29 GMT -5
aaronj- thank you! finally someone who agrees with me lol I've had so many arguments with black belts in karate about kiai and because I don't do karate I'm always assumed to be wrong but I learned from a 6th dan karateka who really knows his stuff and trained with masters in japan and not just fought in a bunch of karate tournaments like most karate athletes I call them lol
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Jul 16, 2012 14:20:17 GMT -5
Post by aaronj on Jul 16, 2012 14:20:17 GMT -5
Haha no problem man, you were spot on. The kiai is such a wildly misunderstood, mistaught, and misused element of modern karate. I'm down with rectifying that! haha
Sometimes, the one person in class with the different answer is the one who has the RIGHT answer.
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Jul 17, 2012 4:01:18 GMT -5
Post by talon on Jul 17, 2012 4:01:18 GMT -5
It is widely believed in the martial arts circles I follow, that it is a concentrated release of energy, focus & breath outward & towards your intended target. "Spirit meeting"...I guess in what I believe/in my experience, it brings into a single focus your spirit/energy/ki or chi. some martial artists/styles believe in it others don't. Myself I find it works for me, I even feel empowered/amped up by it & it focuses my mind.
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Jul 17, 2012 10:17:36 GMT -5
Post by kokoro on Jul 17, 2012 10:17:36 GMT -5
great explanation Aaron,
a kiai comes from your abdomen not your lungs. your basically pushing the air out from there, by tightening up your abs
and a theory which some one told me a little while back is that the sound depends upon what part of your opponents body you want to effect. my friend believes that certain tones do more damage as you strike. personally i haven't even looked into this yet, but i just though i would through it out there, for anyone interesting.
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Jul 18, 2012 6:21:28 GMT -5
Post by odee on Jul 18, 2012 6:21:28 GMT -5
Doncha just love the screamers? Like somehow making it longer and higher pitched will make it work better? I usually describe it as a determined weight lifter's cough or tennis grunt to access maximum power from your core but I could really get into the battlecry thing. I always liked the idea of war-cries I just had too much imagination to try it out, there was always this image of my opponent slamming my mouth shut with an elbow or a foot...
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Jul 27, 2012 10:20:29 GMT -5
Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 27, 2012 10:20:29 GMT -5
Personally I do not like the screamers. What is worst they are being taught to do that. Additionally the judges award them for doing this.
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Kiai
Jul 27, 2012 12:19:07 GMT -5
Post by kokoro on Jul 27, 2012 12:19:07 GMT -5
if i get a headache from them i deduct points. if i need an aspirin afterwards, i deduct even more. its also the reason i stopped going to open tournament. and the invitationals i only go to a select few from them.
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Jul 27, 2012 21:19:57 GMT -5
Post by aaronj on Jul 27, 2012 21:19:57 GMT -5
Haha the screamers, hurt my ears, but make me laugh. What's even better, is the audience flipping out when a student runs up on stage, does their little bow, and then screams their head off. A person screaming is not intimidating, it's just annoying. Beating ass is intimidating.
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Jul 30, 2012 17:18:15 GMT -5
Post by koryuhoka on Jul 30, 2012 17:18:15 GMT -5
Kiai tranlates to: Breath Harmony.
It is not a "yell" or a "shout"... just like a punch is not a punch.
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Jul 31, 2012 4:12:24 GMT -5
Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 31, 2012 4:12:24 GMT -5
koryuhoka- traditionally in boxing before modern times punch was for straight strikes referring to a motion like a leather punch but when chopping blows were banned rounding blows & punching blows both became to be called punches and you'll hear sometimes a boxer saying round swinging punches aren't true punches for that reason. tsuki is the same thing it just means trust.
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