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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2012 18:03:17 GMT -5
I am starting to think that when sparring or in practice it looks a lot like Sanshou with joint locks (chin na) or a bit like traditional Japanese Jujutsu?
Basically to me it looks like a standing grappling martial art with strikes (Sanshou with its strikes, throws, wrestling and joint locks or chin na and Jujutsu with all of the same are two examples). But I admit I am a Noob so I can get things wrong. What do experienced TM artists think.
Thoughts?
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odee
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Post by odee on Aug 1, 2012 18:42:21 GMT -5
I do community hall Tai Chi when I get too busted to do martial arts with sparring, so my experience with their more advanced forms is lacking and the basics are well...basic but from what I've seen when put to application I think Tai Chi would consist mainly of hauling your opponent around to keep them off balance while you pick away at them, kind of like an extended arms Thai clinch.
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aaronj
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Post by aaronj on Aug 2, 2012 1:10:51 GMT -5
Having studied Yang Taijiquan off and on since the late 80's and Chen in the 2000's, along with an Indonesian system, filling that time between, I can tell you that the looks you are describing are pretty much what you see.
The thing with these systems, especially when worked for self defense are not meant for long term endurance runs. (Yes, I can absolutely agree that living with the idea of 'owning' a one technique-one kill ideology is asinine.) The technique reactions are designed to try and end the altercation as soon as possible. The issue with this, is the fact that we are all human and make mistakes. Sometimes, a strike misses by 'that much' or a joint manipulation ends up being something working against muscular strength instead of structural integrity.
This is where proper training comes into play. Far too often you will see people who are great at the structured push hands drills, and even the 'cooperative' application drills, fail miserably when it comes to actual opposition.
It would take a long time to really try and explain the different concepts in proper applications of the taijiquan principles, but I'll give you one that should resound quite well.
Think of the taiji guy being a steel ball sitting in a bowl of oil/grease. Think of the opponent as a steel/rubber/other element pushing at a 90 degree angle of the steel ball perpendicular to the seat of the bowl... While pushing perfectly in the center the force is very strong through the rod and into the ball. However, with the slightest adjustment in position the rod flies off the ball as if spins in place. This is a common concept within many other systems of martial art, but is central to taijiquan practice. There are other variants, but I'll leave that for those interested to find out on their own at a school with a teacher who is present to physically express the science.
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