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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 4:11:08 GMT -5
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Oct 6, 2012 13:29:37 GMT -5
This is going to be totally subjective. So, in my subjective opinion, Wing Chun and Ninjutsu. On top of that, any school that doesn't give students the option to spar full contact should be avoided unless the style is learned purely as a hobby and not for the development of fighting skill.
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Oct 6, 2012 17:51:24 GMT -5
This is going to be totally subjective. So, in my subjective opinion, Wing Chun and Ninjutsu. This X100.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Oct 7, 2012 2:45:29 GMT -5
EDIT: Sorry Frasier, I accidentally erased your post! I don't know how the heck that happened. Please re-post what it was. You were asking about what styles we recommend, here is my response:
I VERY regularly recommend Boxing. The reason is that the majority of people I meet who show interest in training in something don't want to dedicate as much time as the type of crowd we draw here on the forums. They just want to learn something, and they probably will only train long enough to get proficient and then barely keep it up. If somebody is only going to learn something like that, I think Boxing is the way to go simply due to it's nature as a simple and effective fighting method. If you can land a good punch and protect your head, you can handle the vast majority of encounters and on top of that it's very quick to pick up compared to most other styles.
Aside from that, while I come across as a big TMA hating douche at times it's only because I don't look at TMA the same way as some others. I look at most TMA, i.e. Aikido and most Kung Fu styles (and I've trained in examples of Both, Shin-Shin Toitsu, Wing Chun, and Long Fist styles) as hobbies steeped in culture and history rather than some mystical killing mumbo-jumbo like pop culture has made it out to be. Styles that focus on fighting tend to breed fighters. It's just what I've observed, and what the vast majority of evidence backs up. If somebody enjoys TMA, then great. If somebody is trying to learn to fight as efficiently as possible, I don't think the majority of TMA will suit their needs. For those willing to dedicate the time and effort, such as those of us on these forums, I recommend Muay Thai (of course), BJJ, Judo, SAMBO, Kyokushin (and full contact Karate in general), Sanda/Sanshou, or a school that breaks the TMA mold to train fighters with full contact although that's extremely rare.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 5:00:32 GMT -5
Glutton4Punishment...no problems. I posted what styles would people recommend for self defense? And I have been reading the articles of the English self defense teacher Geoff Thompson. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_Thompson_%28writer%29He feels that combat sports build better self defense schools than most TMA schools. In a real self defense situation you hit or get hit. Simple as that. He feels the combo of a striking martial art and a grappling martial art is the best way to go. He has trained in Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Boxing, Judo and Greco-roman and Freestyle wrestling. I emailed him and he said the easiest combo to learn that is practical is Boxing and Judo but any of the other combos I wrote earlier will work. He teaches that avoidance, escape and verbal dissuasion should be the tools used first. Then and if only if needed to strike first. A pre-emptive strike. Hit hard and then escape. No staying around, escape. And never go to the ground, its suicidal in his experience as a doorman in England. Read the article called "The Art of Fighting Without Fighting" by Geoff Thompson on this website. It is great stuff. www.squidoo.com/learntostreetfightAnd a similar self defense teacher from England who has tested his thoughts as a bouncer/doorman like Geoff Thompson is Richard Grannon. I emailed him and he said Muay Thai is the martial art he will only recommend without seeing a school. iscqc.org/blog/author/richard-grannon/This is good too- artofmanliness.com/2008/05/06/how-to-win-a-street-fight-in-7-simple-steps/I am not attacking TMA's but they are often not taught well for self defense. That's why those two don't recommend them even though they both trained in them in the past. Thompson is a 7th dan in Karate but doesn't recommend Karate often because most today are McDojos and don't full contact spar. And they believe they are magic for self defense. Not all TMA's are like that and some are great. But they are in the minority whereas combat schools are in the majority with the crap in the minority. MMA seems to do a lot of what they teach too. Thoughts?
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Oct 7, 2012 14:35:06 GMT -5
Thanks for reposting and providing some links as well. I'll check them out. Sorry again for deleting your last one.
KW's right, there really isn't enough activity lately!
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Post by odee on Oct 7, 2012 22:29:31 GMT -5
Martial Arts suffer the problems when people try to make business out of them. A business is forced to respond to the target market or risk going belly up. The target audience for most business inclined martial arts teachers are wimps and bully victims, people who have failed to remove their bully because they lack the mentality required to endure pain or fight back then watched the Karate Kid and decided to look for a Mr Miyagi. Rather than forcing the bully victim to suffer pain until they become accustomed to it many martial arts businesses change the training to remove the pain. Full contact sparring is the first thing to go, padding is introduced and endurance drills are removed. Leaving a martial art that produces students who are knowledgable and athletic but still prone to freezing after the first punch. Karate and Taekwando are perfect examples of producing blackbelts with knowledge and skills but no backbone or spirit. I say this because both arts have styles that use the same techniques to completely different effect. Somebody who uses karate with intent to harm and accepts that they will probably get hurt even if they do win is going to respond very differently to someone who believes he can win just because he knows karate. The dderence becomes the most obvious when they get hit.
Arts like MMA, Boxing, Kickboxing and Full-Contact Karate have a different target market to begin with. UFC, IBO and K1 are their marketing tools and 'the kind of people' who respond to it normally realise that they will have to learn to tollerate pain to get where they want to go. Wimps either become 'that kind of person' or quit and more often than not they have a lot of 'that kind of people' leading by example so most wimps do actually develope a spine in full-contact competition arts. A spine that you can go twenty years in a McDojo without ever knowing you needed.
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Post by youxia on Oct 9, 2012 17:05:37 GMT -5
Perhaps you shouldn't stay away from any, you could go and and ask to watch classes near where you live and see for yourself. I understand when people say "stay away from x" theyre trying to help, and everyone here knows a lot and can be a big help. But I was just thinking, what if everyone says Aikido sucks, and theres a school near you and you don't check it out because everyone said Aikido sucks, but it just so happened to be a brilliant Aikido school?
Did any of what I just said make sense to anyone? Feel like I'm waffling a bit
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Oct 9, 2012 18:35:08 GMT -5
^ That's why I brought up only 2 styles. I could go on and on about the different styles out there I personally wouldn't recommend, but for the sake of not going TOO crazy with my biases I picked two styles that just can't be redeemed for my taste. Ninjutsu because it's 110% phoney from the ground up and Wing Chun mostly because it tries to fit the mold of some kind of ancient art that's also somehow an RBSD style that's super deadly and effective when in reality the vast majority of it's practitioners couldn't punch through a piece of cardboard.
No offense toward anybody who likes training in anything, my opinions are on the arts and not about people.
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Post by odee on Oct 10, 2012 5:08:13 GMT -5
You're too nice Glutton. I'd word it a bit more this way. I know you love your martial art and I stand up for your right to be proud of it but please know that you're wrong. Please know that when you get in a fight you're going to get hit and it's going to hurt - Stop being a f*%^ing child. Heavily paraphrased from Jim Jeffries - Alcoholocaust.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2012 18:02:10 GMT -5
What does "RBSD style" mean?
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Post by odee on Oct 10, 2012 19:44:06 GMT -5
Reality Based Self Defense. It's a good notion but more often than not used by crap artists. Krav Maga, Wing Chun and Bujinkan are often the schools flogging RBSD is some kind of miracle solution, schools that actually teach decent self defence tend not to use the RBSD acronym, they call it sparring or fighting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 3:46:28 GMT -5
Has anyone seen a decent Wing Chun school? Or are they a myth?
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Oct 11, 2012 3:57:16 GMT -5
I haven't been to one, but there's some guy in the UK named Alan Orr trying to incorporate proper sparring into his Wing Chun. That's a pretty big step right there. He also doesn't try to act like it's anything mystical or super deadly. It's quite a rarity.
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Post by odee on Oct 11, 2012 16:35:37 GMT -5
I visited one while I was still living in Sydney. They exist, it's just hard to find them and even harder to find ones that aren't chock full of jerks.
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