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Post by youxia on Jun 21, 2012 8:09:31 GMT -5
Do you take art to mean self expression? Art purley as in mastery of a craft? Or do you find something poetic about the juxtaposition of grace and violence? Or maybe from buddhist/taoist influences?
What in your opinion is the art in martial arts?
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Post by the tank on Jun 21, 2012 8:53:31 GMT -5
The creativity that is involved in it, I believe is what makes it an art.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 21, 2012 13:04:20 GMT -5
I believe what makes an art an art is freedom to do whatever you want according to the laws of physics.
Like a painter only has 7 coulours on their pallets but with those 7 colours they can make an infinite number of others just like a musician has only 7 notes to work with but between each note is a flat & a sharp and each note has 8 octaves and they can be played in a million timbres and a cook has only 5 flavours (Bitterness, Saltiness, Sourness, Sweetness & Umami/savory) to work with but there are millions of variations of those in various forms from starches to proteins to vegetation etc.
I hate it when I hear about techniques and how boxing has a jab,cross, hook & uppercut because those are the punches that your taught.
That's taking everything at face value and is pretty shallow and would be just like trying to paint with 4 colours without any shades or play a song with 4 notes without different octaves or timbres.
Your body moves according to physics and there are only 360 degrees you can strike at that you cant change no matter how hard you try sorry to tell you.
So between a hook & an uppercut you have a shovel hook and a hook and a straight is a swing etc.
I can go on but I've already ranted enough lol
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 21, 2012 15:35:18 GMT -5
The first one, self expression. I agree with Bruce Lee on that one. It drives me crazy when people say that Boxing isn't a Martial Art because it's a sport. It's both. A martial art of pure punching. And my gosh, if there's something where you can more clearly see peoples' differences in style than boxing I wanna know what it is. It's the epitome of expression. Nobody boxes like Tyson. Nobody boxes like Ali. Nobody boxes like Dempsey. Boxers have their own style, and a great boxers movement is like watching a great dancer. Gross motor skills turn into fine ones where every last detail of a punch comes together perfectly. Watching a good punch land with perfect timing can send chills down my spine. It's all about the way a style is used. They all have beauty in them and it's a practitioner that can bring that beauty out.
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Post by peppermillk on Jun 21, 2012 16:22:32 GMT -5
Id have to say its the precision and exact technique used whilst fighting. Its an art because the practitioner has to learn the specifics and treat it like an art to uphold the form and signature of the style he is using. Say u give a painter a piece of paper with a square on it and say paint that sqaure blue. If he`s good he`ll make it look neat and even, won`t paint outside the lines, etc. Same with martial artists. The art is the difference between one who gets the job done even if they paint outside the lines or leave a mess, and one who does it with style and sticks with the technique leaving onlookers thinking.. wow that guy really knows how to paint a sqaure well. That's something that takes practice and skill
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Post by friendlyvirus on Jun 22, 2012 10:27:03 GMT -5
first I'd like to mention that i think that the art in martial art originally meant mastery of a craft.
but actually i think its a form of expression, if dancing is considered art, why shouldn't MA? even in some traditional martial arts, some forms represent animals, or tells a story.
but when I'm asked, to avoid getting into a long debate i use the first one.
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Post by talon on Jun 22, 2012 19:38:29 GMT -5
I kind of think it's a bit of all of those things, despite what it was originally about. & everyone has some good points to make or their own views on it at any particular time. Even if they rant on lol
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Post by odee on Jun 22, 2012 23:58:30 GMT -5
I believe the art in martial arts is in interpretation. Nobody does everything exactly the same, it's not possible. Things have to be interpreted and adapted to each situation, each person and each opponent - it's why arts change over time. If there was a single answer that everyone could use everyone would do it and you'd be back at square one with everybody as equals. I had four main teachers in Kyokushin each of differing opinions and preferences in how they apply their martial knowledge. Ask those four about the Bunkai in a kata as basic as Pinan one and you'll get at least three completely different explainations for application. One from a competition sparring view. One from a self defense view. One from a perfectionist's view. I'll never be the same fighter as my Muay Thai teacher because I outweigh him by twenty kilograms, I've never done breakdancing and shades of my Kyokushin training will always show through. Because I can never be like him I have to adapt everything I learn from him to work for me. Just like painting the art of imitation is how you get started but where you go from there is what defines you as an artist.
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