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Post by the tank on Oct 26, 2012 14:44:27 GMT -5
If I was to get a gun for self-defense, home use, what would you recommend?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 1:35:16 GMT -5
A Shotgun
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Oct 28, 2012 11:52:23 GMT -5
What firearms do you have already, if any? What experience do you have? Do you have any interest in a concealed carry firearm?
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Post by the tank on Oct 29, 2012 14:26:46 GMT -5
I don't have any experience, so learning and getting a license would be first before buying one
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Oct 29, 2012 15:35:47 GMT -5
So do you plan on buying solely for home protection? Or do you think you may start carrying a pistol as well? Have you taken a look at anything yet?
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Post by the tank on Oct 29, 2012 22:23:21 GMT -5
It'd probably be wiser if I only use it for home protection, since sometimes I have a temper. I haven't looked at anything yet, not until I get suggestions
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Oct 29, 2012 23:04:48 GMT -5
In that case, a shotgun or a rifle might be key. Some will say a shotgun is best. Usually their reasoning is that "you don't need to aim it" or "the racking sound will scare people away" or "the shot won't go through walls like another bullet will". All of those concepts are 100% false, so look at rifles as well and see what you like. Either that or go with a pistol anyway. It's not going to pack the same punch, but it's got versatility and if you ever change your mind you'll have nailed 2 birds with one stone - especially since it's far easier to train sufficiently with one weapon platform than multiple.
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Post by the tank on Oct 30, 2012 9:15:15 GMT -5
What kind of pistol would be good for a newbie?
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Oct 30, 2012 11:37:50 GMT -5
I'm deleting the posts that don't belong here. If you guys want to start up a political thread on the issue, feel free.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Oct 30, 2012 11:55:04 GMT -5
What kind of pistol would be good for a newbie? This is where I always take a step back. I want to scream out the names of all of the pistols that have worked the best for me, but they may not work for you at all. I'll give you a list of recommended pistols to take a look at, though. You need to do some research, however, and in person at that. Head to a firearms store and get your hands on a bunch of different pistols. The guy at the counter will almost certainly hand you one of their favorites if you ask, but still take a look at their recommendation and then ask about others. Things to look for: 1. Grip. How does it feel in your hand. Can you naturally line the sights up without spending a lot of time wiggling them into alignment? 2. Trigger. There are a lot of trigger types and the way they reset will vary. Test out the trigger on everything you handle a few times and get feedback on how each type works from the guy at the counter. Determine which type you prefer. 3. Safeties. I don't like them, but you might be comforted by having one. That's going to be a personal issue. They're just cheap insurance IMO and smart handling will eliminate the need, but it's all up to you. 4. Caliber. They're really all VERY close in performance. A lot of people will tout one caliber as being the best or another as complete crap, but when it comes down to it there's really no difference nowadays. Ammunition has come a long way. 9mm will be good for most beginners, though, because it has a very low recoil. 5. Budget time! Be ready to purchase a pistol that costs at least $500. That is the price point for the majority of decent defensive pistols on the market. If you want to spend more, that's your deal, but remember that any extra you spend beyond that range is money you could be spending on training and ammo which is far more important than the firearm. The list: Striker fired pistols - Glock 17 or 19, M&P9, Walther PPQ. (The XD series isn't bad, but not up to the same standard as the others here in my experience) Double Action/Single Action pistols: Beretta 92FS/M9, SIG P226/229/239, HK P30, CZ P-01. It's likely a 1911 will come to your grasp in a shop as well. If you're looking at one, keep in mind that the design is quite old and doesn't take well to the production process. If you want a 1911, spend more money and get something from Wilson or Ed Brown that you can bet your life on. Don't waste money on a Kimber. I don't really recommend Double Action only pistols because they're tougher to shoot in most cases. This includes revolvers, which also don't carry a lot of rounds and are higher maintenance weapons overall. If you do decide to get a revolver, Smith is your friend. Just don't fall for the myth that they never have problems.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Oct 30, 2012 21:27:58 GMT -5
Frasier, what valid point was made? The words used were something along the lines of "guns can suck my @$$hole". That's not a valid point. Also, the posts were not deleted due to disagreement of any kind. They were deleted because politics do not belong in this forum. This forum is about weapons and weapons training, not about the political opinions pertaining to firearms. I've already pointed out that there's nothing wrong with posting political opinions in the appropriate forum. Since all I've done is enforce the rules 100%, what exactly have I done wrong? I even deleted my OWN post of disagreement to erase all evidence of the conversation. If you don't like the way that I took action, take it up with KW and Frank, our Administrators, and if they decide that I was wrong to redirect you to the correct forum and delete posts that don't belong here I'll gladly accept any action they see fit.
Until then,
I will NOT tolerate the posting of political issues in this forum. Keep them in the proper section or expect your posts to be deleted. I don't care if the post lines up with my opinion or not - if it doesn't belong here, it's gone. I really don't see why it's so hard to just post in the proper section.
EDIT: Please respond to this post in PM or make a thread in the support forum to dispute my actions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 1:24:19 GMT -5
I have responded in PM.
I just want noted that some of us outside the United States don't consider guns a political issue. My problem mainly was my post was deleted without discussing it with me. Also, I consider the foul language bad and thought he should have modified it.
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Post by the tank on Oct 31, 2012 9:11:05 GMT -5
Good tips for a newbie I have alot of homework to do!
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Post by kokoro on Nov 27, 2012 21:06:15 GMT -5
i prefer a shotgun with rocksalt rounds. to me a gun iis only useful if your willing to take a life. with rocksalt rounds i dont have to worry about that. or hitting an bystander
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Nov 27, 2012 21:30:03 GMT -5
You can still kill somebody with rock salt. In my mind, one should either be ready to use possibly lethal force to protect their own life or not waste the money on a firearm at all. Of course the idea isn't so appealing to me either, but I'm willing to shoot to avoid losing my life.
Remember also that death is not the goal of a defensive shooting. Stopping the threat is the goal. Death is simply a possible result, and hopefully it doesn't occur.
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