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Post by crashmatt on Dec 10, 2013 10:06:52 GMT -5
Hi guys. Posted this on YA but didn't get much useful feedback (partly due to me not phrasing things correctly) so thought I'd try again here. I did judo for a long time, now train freestyle wrestling and a little BJJ. Always been more drawn to sporting martial arts in the past but whether it's age, experience or just curiosity, I feel like I'd like to try something more traditional with an emphasis on pure self defence and/or holistic self-improvement. Preferably I'd like to do something that would synergise well with my existing skills. The two I've got my eye on are Aikido or Wing Chun. A lot of older judokas migrate to Aikido and I can see the appeal. Things like joint locks, pins and using your opponent's momentum against them make sense to me and I know they work. I also like the fact that it emphasises restraint techniques over more potentially damaging ones. I know people knock aikido because of the lack of aliveness in it's training methods, but perhaps my live grappling experience (and I'll be continuing with the wrestling) might help to offset this? Been drawn to Wing Chun after seeing demonstrations. It's aggression, trapping techniques and breaking of the opponent's structure all seem like they'd gel well with wrestling skills. My only concern is that I've had very little aptitude for any of the other striking arts I've tried in the past. Any advice or alternative suggestions appreciated. Thanks Matty
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Dec 10, 2013 18:36:19 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of Aikido or Wing Chun to be fairly honest. This is the traditional section, so I'm not really gonna go into why here.
If you want traditional, you really can't go wrong with Judo. If not Judo, look into traditional Jujutsu.
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Post by crashmatt on Dec 11, 2013 6:46:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. I did judo for many years and will always have a lot of affection for the art, but there's no way I'll ever train it again except in the highly unlikely event that the IJF repeals some of the horrible rules changes it's introduced over the last ten years. Not only have they neutered the sport's groundwork to the point of irrelevence but, thanks to restrictions on leg grabs and how you can break grips, it favours strength over skill in a way that doesn't sit well with me. There used to be a goshin jiu-jitsu class at my old judo club and I attended for a while. It was good at first when Phil the head judo coach (one of the best martial artists I've ever known) ran it, but he ended up handing the reigns to two of the senior students and I didn't like the direction they took it in. Phil was all about short, simple and effective ways to end confrontations, but these lads got obsessed with huge, rambling sequences which were (imo) unlikely to work and if they did would cause what I consider to be unnecessary harm. I also thought they had a slightly unhealthy 'yeah we're gonna really hurt someone with this!' attitude. Sadly I don't know of any other JJJ classes in the city I live. I love wrestling, enjoy the odd dabble in the MMA class at the same gym and am generally of the opinion that combat sports are the best way to learn to fight. I've just become very interested in the traditional arts recently. Not too worried about getting quick results on a martial level - I'm not the sort of guy who attracts much trouble and my judo/wrestling have always been enough to deal with the few situations I've encountered - I'm willing to put the time in. Basically I'm curious. Maybe I'll like practicing a TMA, maybe I won't, but it's something I'd like to explore. Anyway, sorry for waffling and thanks again for your reply
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Dec 11, 2013 18:04:40 GMT -5
Honestly man, most traditional arts just don't impress me. Again, to avoid breaking my own rules, I'm not going to go in why here. But my opinion is that you should stick with MMA/Wrestling/BJJ. Those are all proven effective styles in self-defense. If you want to do a traditional art for the cultural aspects, then I'd maybe try out Kendo. It has very little real world application today, but it could still be fun to learn, and it could possibly help you with your reflexes.
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Post by KyKarateka on Dec 14, 2013 21:37:10 GMT -5
Any traditional art will do, just make sure you find a decent school. By decent school I mean one that trains realistically. If you do find one I think you'll be fine.
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Post by Chino on Dec 14, 2013 22:16:33 GMT -5
Im not really the most knowledgable when it comes to TMA, but if you said your art already had a ground game and such, would you really benefit a whole lot by studying another style along the lines of grappling?
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Post by crashmatt on Dec 16, 2013 16:13:06 GMT -5
Ky - thanks, that is of course good advice. In fact you've probably swung it for me. The guy who runs my local aikido club has a great rep, whereas I've heard that the guy who takes the wing chun class is a little bit 'sifu says'. Chino - see what you're saying but I think that the kind of grappling involved in aikido is very different to what I've done before.
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Post by doppelganger on Apr 9, 2014 1:12:33 GMT -5
Hwrang Do is a great korean art that would go well with your previous training since it is very throw and lock oriented while teaching you how to hit hard in my opinion.
A good shaolin based art would be good as well but it does take some time to start to get the basic structure down and how to use it proper.
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