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Post by peppermillk on Jun 27, 2012 7:12:55 GMT -5
I've trained 3 years in my ma, I didn't rly pay attention to chi gung exercises at first but after about 2 years I realised that the internal aspect of the system was far more important to build on than the external as its such a long term thing, but external ability can be built up much faster. So my question is in ur style how long is it predicted for ur chi gung to take affect and u be able to notice it in ur strength/power? I've trained it at a moderate rate for a year now and notice nothing I've been told roughly 3 before I start to notice anything even slightly significant tho
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 27, 2012 10:50:44 GMT -5
When I trained in Qigong, the idea wasn't to build up some huge internal energy. It was to prepare for the external training. I'm sure everybody's is a bit different since the ideas that lie behind internal arts can vary quite a bit. I'm no Chi believer, so the benefits of Qigong for me lie purely in increasing the amount of oxygen in the blood. That allows for better performance during the external training and quicker healing as well. So basically the results you might see from the internal training are primarily going to be an increase in energy and focus from extra oxygenated blood and better external training results because of it.
That's my experience, anyway. Those who actually believe that Chi is some mystical energy that they can use to light things on fire, break things over their heads with, and so on and so forth can give you a totally different answer.
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Post by peppermillk on Jun 27, 2012 20:49:51 GMT -5
So.. how long do u think will take? Hah sorry but that was such a fail answer u rly went on ur own topic didn't even try and answer my question. I've already heard about that stuff and it doesn't rly bother me. either way u can gain results from using chi gung and that's all I need to know for now. So for anyone who might comment can we steer clear of that topic cheers
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Post by aaronj on Jun 27, 2012 22:04:34 GMT -5
The results you will see from your qigong training are entirely dependent on your training. Qigong practices are as difficult, if not moreso than the actual physical training with kata and sparring, and other theory study.
While I would agree with glutton4punishmen, that shooting mystical fireballs is a bit of a stretch to say the least; the results of qigong training are entirely real.
Why don't you expound on your qigong regiment, and I can make a general assessment for you.
PS- You'll go nowhere if you rush, and you can cause very real damage to yourself if you try and take any shortcuts.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 27, 2012 22:09:04 GMT -5
I guess you didn't get what I was saying. Chi is a load of crap. You'll get results every time you do it. It doesn't do anything aside from oxygenate your blood, and any other results will be entirely in your mind. Every time you do it, it's like hitting an O2 can for extra oxygen. That's the benefit. All it does is help with your external training, you won't have any other special results. Period. End of story. What it does for you on day 1 is what it'll do for you on day 1,000. Of course the Chi lovers will disagree, but that's been my experience for years now.
Is that any better?
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 27, 2012 22:11:37 GMT -5
To add a tiny bit more, doing Qigong is sort of like taking a daily multivitamin. You don't need it in your training, but it helps a little bit and will help your normal training every day. It's not some separate thing that you need to develop for years like the BS artists would like you to believe. Is that less "epic fail" for you?
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Post by peppermillk on Jun 28, 2012 3:01:48 GMT -5
Nope sorry mate still just as much fail. U see when I said u went off on ur own topic and that I was already aware of the whole argument as to the legitimacy of chi gung I meant I didn't wanna explore that topic. But uve continued to do that regardless. This question is for people who train in chi gung and can answer MY question not for people like you who want to argue its nature. So thanks but no thanks. And as for aaronj.. I am training what I think is the right way. Not rushing I don't think so anyways. I do about 30 minutes 3 times a week atm. So not heaps I'm not going hardcore into it. Its only been a year I'm settling in for the long haul. And I do plan to progressively increase my training I'm mainly just listening to my sihings instructions for now so yea. I also wanted to know about ur experioence or progress however. At what rate did u train it and in what time frame did u gain a noticeable change. I am aware that u use ur internal training to back up ur external ability. I've experienced the amazing strength my sifu has and he`s far smaller than me. As for the sigung of my system over in china I've heard he is multiple times stronger than my sifu even tho he looks like a frail old man. So I have full confidence in the potential of chi gung training
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Post by youxia on Jun 28, 2012 6:44:40 GMT -5
What do you think your gunna be able to do charging your chi? Go super saiyan? I'm dountful you can get physically stronger, it's not dragonball. What your sifu did is probably through understanding of body mechanics or technique.
You know maybe there is some kind of chi life force, but glutton is right. Chi gung literally just means "oxygen work".
Besides, even if there is chi power to heal or whatever, it'll be something that requires calm and not getting mad at people who don't answer your question right online.
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Post by peppermillk on Jun 28, 2012 7:14:05 GMT -5
What r u talking about man. Super saiyin? Rly? I'm not sum retardo who thinks its a mystic life force u can charge up or blow people away with. But from my experience whatever it is it seems to allow people to get rly strong without having to hit the gym 10 times a week. From what I understand it strengthens and builds the tissue between ur ribs cage as well as other internal parts of u and there is a strength from those ligaments or whatever they r that u can apply to whatever arm movements or whatever it is u r doing. I don't think that's the only element sure oxegenation of bloodand most likely othere things too all combine to make up chi gung power and I'm willing to stick at it to develop this. And yes its combined again with technique and a pysiological understanding of urself.. and all martial arts have various elements chi gung is just one element of mine and it seems to work for the system so no problems right
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 28, 2012 14:58:08 GMT -5
If all you're looking for are certain answers that in no way contradict your own preconceived notions then perhaps a forum isn't the place to ask such questions. A public forum is a place for the sharing of opinions, and since this isn't The Warzone peoples differing opinions should be respected. This isn't a place to come and have your opinions verified. It's a place for sharing, so if you aren't open minded and willing to hear what other people have to say then you might as well just ask your Sifu these questions.
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Post by peppermillk on Jun 28, 2012 23:11:43 GMT -5
Come on man. My title was `for those that train in chi gung` I was obviously looking for help with the training style. All u spoke about was how u didn't think it worked and how in ur opinion it affected the body. When the question I asked was about how long results would take. I wasn't looking to discuss what u were talking about, hence not posting in the warzone section. Not trying to bag u out dude but u kept steering my post away from what I wanted to get answered.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 29, 2012 0:01:17 GMT -5
I am a practitioner of Qigong. That's why I replied. I did answer your question. There is not some amount of time it will take because you'll get the exact same results every single time you do it. The mystical stuff is a bunch of garbage.
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Post by peppermillk on Jun 29, 2012 1:57:53 GMT -5
oh, well when u started ur first post off with 'when i trained in qigong' it made it sound like u used to. and then u went on to bag it so i assumed u dropped it cos u thought it to be pointless. but again ur missing the point. I'm not wanting answers from sinics who believe chi gung is a bunch of mystical garbage i get that u don't think much of it. and thats fine. I'm not trying to argue that it works and ur wrong. I'm not. I'm just saying i asked how long it would take, asking people who do train and think it does work, and thats it. and instead i got u, sum one who is continually broadening my question out into the whole legitimacy argument side of it. again if i wanted that i would post in war zone. I've posted in traditional so that like minded people who practice and have knowledge of it can advise me. instead of trying to convince me its a bunch of crap that rly has minimal affect on the body and never builds up having the same constant effect no matter how long u practice it. okay so does that kinda give u an insight into it from my view. i wanted help with it, not negative opinions about it implying how I'm wasting my time.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 29, 2012 12:31:52 GMT -5
I get where you're coming from, just please be more respectful of other opinions.
And to clarify, I no longer attend classes for Qigong. I use what I learned on my own time.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 29, 2012 14:23:57 GMT -5
Just another quick note: Not all Traditional Martial Artists have come to any universal agreement on what Chi is or what the benefits of Qigong are. Even practitioners of different styles of Qigong will give you differing answers, so it's good to be open to hearing them.
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