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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 6, 2012 0:03:54 GMT -5
Matsubayashi Ryu Shorin Ryu Look at 18-19 seconds of the video. What is the application for this technique? youtu.be/Unz0kFOb6QA
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Post by kokoro on Jul 6, 2012 3:42:12 GMT -5
are you talking about the escape from a wrist grab and a strike?
other then that i never gave it much thought, although its an intrusting variation of the kata, shotokan and shito ryu have a different version
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Post by shurite99 on Jul 6, 2012 8:52:12 GMT -5
We have a different height for the wrist grab escape.. but basically the same. The way i look at it is spear hand strike, grab escape to the wrist, spinning back fist, straight punch.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 6, 2012 10:54:26 GMT -5
Yes, I'm talking about the Spear Hand Strike, turn with the open hand above the head into the grab/pull strike.
I know the spear hand can be a variety of pressure point strikes around the collarbone. It can be a strike to the joint inside the should blade. But I'm looking for some other applications on the open hand turning above the hand into a strike. It has to be more than just a wrist grab escape. There has to be some trapping or throw in there?
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Post by kokoro on Jul 6, 2012 12:11:19 GMT -5
i like this persons bunkai his dojo does some great ones, your version of pinan sandan is similar to the move in kanku dai for us
heian sandan bunkai
kanku dai bunkai
although the bunkai is the same purpose, i also didnt get a chance to what the whole video for them both there might be something at the end
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Post by aaronj on Jul 12, 2012 21:06:19 GMT -5
Yup I'd use the right hand to receive the attacking arm, and ride it with the left spear hand. Although, I'd personally stay around the neck, maybe pulling down into the collarbone after the strike. It takes some serious training to get the finger strength to withstand a blow to the torso. Good vagus nerve strike.
This is just a first thought. I don't have this kata, or technique in my system.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Aug 3, 2012 0:22:26 GMT -5
I've been taught that too. The spear hand is not a strike to the torso. You would go for a nerve and the collarbone too. Some might sat go for the throat. But that would be difficult unless you grab the head and expose the throat. The spear hand would also go to the joint between the shoulder and torso. The harder they punch the worst it hurts them. :-)
They won't use that limb for a few.
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Post by kokoro on Aug 3, 2012 18:18:42 GMT -5
btw i was able to get a nice one hand arm lock out of it not exactly like a shianagi but close to it.
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Post by jwbulldogs on May 5, 2013 23:37:16 GMT -5
I know this topic is old, but I'm surprised that no one said this for the application. The spear hand is not a strike. It is pat of a throw. It is used to control the head and when turning the body you take down the attacker guided by his head.
The first part is the redirecting of the punch with the opposite hand. The the other hand goes pass the head to wrap around or lock it in close. From there you can throw with osoto gari and a maki. The maki throw is par of the application because you step back to turn around still have the head. THis causes the attacker head and body to turn and go over your leg and hit the ground. You should have control of the arm or body to finish ending the threat with a strike or arm bar.
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Post by kokoro on May 12, 2013 6:45:49 GMT -5
I forgot about the bunkai for throwing, I must be getting old lol
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