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Post by youxia on Jul 6, 2012 5:07:26 GMT -5
1:20-1:34, is that actual sparring or staged?
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Post by gunter on Jul 6, 2012 21:35:26 GMT -5
I'd say staged. I think Karate has prearranged sparring katas though Im not sure.
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Post by kokoro on Jul 7, 2012 13:12:41 GMT -5
in part in part its staged there are many levels of sparing, some are prearranged some are not
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Post by odee on Jul 7, 2012 17:51:17 GMT -5
It's staged. Consider the skill that they displayed previously and ask yourself if you'd believe that they're actually that good.
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Post by talon on Jul 7, 2012 23:41:33 GMT -5
It's the style of the day, the techniques they do are not adaptive & it was drilled into them that they Must do it only this way & not adjust it to fit them. It wasn't until the likes of Bruce Lee this changed. but some of it looks a little staged, but some of it was nerves, as unlike today , recording a session was rare & not a common occurence so they were trying to either make a good impression or holding back so as not to give away roo many of their secrets/techniques
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 9, 2012 2:54:30 GMT -5
Really??
No one can tell if the sparring is real or not? Then we have people guessing if sparring is staged or not? Last but not least the comment about giving away the secret techniques is laughable.
When you don't know it is okay to just say I don't know.
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Post by odee on Jul 9, 2012 17:05:24 GMT -5
It's modern Karate. Modern Karate has never been a 'Hidden' thing, it was also adapting and taking heavy influence from Judo and Jujutsu just before Bruce Lee was born. No adjusting my arse - Modern Karate was still in it's developmental stages in the late thirties to mid fourties. Besides that Karate was open to anyone and everyone by 1945 and if anyone thinks Bruce Lee had anything to do with that I'll point out that Lee was only five years old at the time and wouldn't start practicing martial arts for another nine years. Judo was also being taught to foreigners before Bruce Lee was born.
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Post by kokoro on Jul 9, 2012 19:12:21 GMT -5
It's modern Karate. Modern Karate has never been a 'Hidden' thing, it was also adapting and taking heavy influence from Judo and Jujutsu no, i disagree with this modern karate, grappling came from tode-jutsu, and kung fu. there is still hidden techniques in kata. even if the jka tried to ave all grappling removed it still there, and will always be there in the kata. the only way to remove it is to remove kata
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Post by odee on Jul 9, 2012 19:56:48 GMT -5
That's not what I meant Kokoro. I mean they don't hold back for the camera just so people don't see what they're really capable of. Plus a lot of modern Karate grappling did come from Judo, Funakoshi shared his training hall with Judoka for several years and apparently they traded ideas and techniques so any Karate that has connections to Shotokan is liable to have Judo throws, also the more original Karateka clashed with Samurai meaning Jujutsu practitioners. Every soldier who survives confrontation with enemies picks up bits and pieces unless the enemy is completely incompetent.
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Post by kokoro on Jul 9, 2012 20:11:30 GMT -5
oh ok.
and yes Funakoshi did share ideas with Kano, that i'm sure of. but how much was already there? tode-jutsu was a grappling art. as well as kung fu. the grappling in kung fu is a lot like japanese jujutsu in many ways. many of the techquies in japaneses jujutsu i learned in kung fu as well or have seen
as for jujutsu influencing karate it is very possible, and i wouldnt rule it out. but i havent come across any references too it. i have too almost dozen other countries how ever.
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