Just so we're clear.

I just picked all. I consider it all grappling. If you've taken away your opponent's space and you're engaged with them in clinching range or on the ground then whatever you do, it's a form of grappling.

But I do think that in order to say that a style has grappling in it, you have to be able to say that all of that is present. It's all present in BJJ, it's all present in Judo (to a lesser extent in some areas, but still there), it's all present in SAMBO. People like to argue that there are "complete" styles of Karate that contain grappling. I say "phooey" to that as you can't call any Karate grappling complete unless it has enough depth to cover all of those areas like a true grappling art would. In the same way, I would never say SAMBO is complete due to its striking because its striking still isn't complete and well rounded. To have a complete skill set, people have to cross train.

I picked all.

all of this is grappling in my opinion. you go to GRAPPLERS quest or naGa or what have you you will see all this take place besides joint manipulation. that's just because it is against the rules.

I break fighting down into crashing (striking) & holding (grapling).

Between them you have holding & hitting (clinch fighting) and striking while falling on your opponent with you knee or elbow or whatever with a throw.

I consider grappling as having something entangled and clinching the same thing since the definition of clinch is grab like joint locks, constrictions, throws, takedowns & breakdowns and they all require clinching.

Sweeps require a crashing strike or they are just trips so I consider them strikes.

One big misunderstanding I always hear is stand up, clinch & ground are the 3 ranges but they are missing out on 1 key element... ground they call it is actually ground clinch fighting because your locked up clinched together whereas capoeira does a lot of ground striking fighting.

@kw- caopeira is on the ground with their striking

@glutton- of course you wouldn't think karates grappling is any good you forget the human element lol if a karateka trains harder on his grappling that royce gracie against other grapplers he will be good idk what you say and his styles not holding him back from doing it it's himself.

Karate has throwing Glutton, almost all Karateka learn simple throws like hip tosses, roundhouse throws and rolling throws. Most Karateka will also learn a good variety of standing locks, chokes and joint manipulations, I learned the kimura, arm-bars and sleeve chokes long before I got my shodan. My grappling ability from Karate is rather laughable to someone who does Brazilian Jujitsu, not because it doesn't work but because I've spent hours learning to apply them to other people who can only claim hours of practice themselves. Brazilian Jujitsu students can claim months and years trying to apply those techniques to people who have months, years and decades of practice themselves.

Personally I don't count anything as being in my skill-set unless I can competently and repeatedly perform it. So things hidden in Kata I don't count, there's plenty of Karate that I don't know yet because I haven't unlocked the bunkai, it's also the reason I snort at the idea of mastering any style.