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Post by rollingrock128 on Jul 28, 2012 20:55:45 GMT -5
i was shocked when i came to the warzone and didn't see this. so i think it is a long time coming. my opinion MMA. it shows how an actual street fight would go with minor rules just to protect the fighter(that i don't agree with). boxing is just hands. and mma fighter would be a boxer in an mma fight. chances are a boxer would beat a boxing match BUT in my opinion the mma fighter has a better chance in a boxing match than the boxer has in an mma fight.
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Post by odee on Jul 29, 2012 6:53:05 GMT -5
Depends on how well the Boxer does in the MMA match. If the Boxer flattens the Mixed Martial Artist in Boxing and manages to last a Mixed Martial Arts match chances are good that he'll survive or even beat the Mixed Martial Artist on the street. If the Boxer gets flattened in the MMA match chances are he'll get flattened in similar fashion on the street. I love Boxing and I think all Martial Artists should have a crack at it but there are so many major fighting movements like kicks, submissions and take-downs that full-time Boxers rarely or never experience that if a Martial Artist can hold their own against a Boxer in a Boxing match then it's a fair bet that they'll beat them on the street. But holding your own against a Boxer in a Boxing match or on the street is not a task to be sniffed at.
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Post by capoeirista on Jul 29, 2012 15:13:37 GMT -5
This debate could go on for ever. A wise (and ripped) man once said: "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." This quote could be applied in support of boxing. Surely a boxer who can pulverize skulls with his punches would have little trouble beating a somebody whose a little above average with all forms of combat?
However, you've also got the ancient knowledge of one of the very greatest commanders in Chinese history: "Of old the expert in battle would first make himself invincible and then wait for his enemy to expose his vulnerability." This quote would back up MMA very well. It's accepted that a versatility is a very important trait of mastery, and mixed martial artists are certainly versatile. Boxers, however, have many vulnerable areas, and from there it's just a matter of comparison.
The only thing left to do is conduct empirical research on the matter.
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Post by toughguy™ on Aug 15, 2012 14:52:24 GMT -5
MMA anyday.
. . . . . Good Luck!
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Post by john on Jul 4, 2013 13:14:41 GMT -5
MMA for sure. I mean the boxer is a better boxer, kind of obvious. I don't think there is any UFC fighter who could win against a pro boxer using only boxing rules. However, if we add MMA...then it's a different ballgame. The boxer would get murdered with lowkicks. They are your best friend against a boxer. Or take it to the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 19:02:10 GMT -5
Depends on many things. Did the Boxer get the first punch in? Did the fight stay standing? Is the MMA fighter more comfortable standing and as such is less likely to go to the ground? Did the fight go to the ground?
Is the Boxer good? What if the MMA guy is crap? Or the MMA guy is good but the Boxer is crap?
There are many examples of Boxers (or Kickboxers) like Mark Hunt knocking out seasoned MMA fighters and vice versa like Couture knocking out Tooney.
Like all things, it depends on many variables.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 19:04:42 GMT -5
Mark Hunt, Randy Couture, Junior Dos Santos, Rampage Jackson etc are fighters who use Boxing mainly as their stand up and they have won fights standing so it proves that Boxing can beat MMA. But it is up to many variables
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Post by odee on Jul 4, 2013 22:51:35 GMT -5
I'm not saying this because I disagree with the value of Boxing but have you ever watched those guys fight?
The Super Samoan Mark Hunt is a freak, there's no getting around that part. He can take an insane amount of abuse before he even considers giving up. Taking him down with leg kicks before he punches you out? Yeah, good luck with that mate. He is a heavy puncher but he doesn't fight anything like a Boxer and with a pro boxing record of 0 wins 1 draw and 1 loss I wouldn't even peg him as a great Boxer, what Hunt is is a great brawler. Rampage Jackson doesn't win matches with just Boxing technique either, he is the embodyment of Hit, Slam and beat the living hell out of them on the ground. Dude fights like a grizzly bear. Randy Couture is another Hit, Slam and Submit fighter.
The only one that actually makes your point valid is Junior Dos Santos.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 23:52:31 GMT -5
I never said they were boxers but wrote they use boxing in their stand up. Re-read what I wrote.
Rampage a hit, slam and beat them on the ground fighter......mate have you ever watched him in the UFC? How often has Rampage done that in the UFC? Rarely. He stands and uses boxing. Example the Machida fight. Must have ok boxing since he is a former LHW champ.
Randy Couture....ummm what does he use STANDING? Boxing! That's right. Never said he was great at it but he must be ok since he is a former HW and LHW champ.
Mark Hunt would be ok as a boxer if he trained solely for boxing but he doesnt. He is a MMA figher in both of the contexts of the UFC and K-1. That is a difference. Must be ok since he is a former K-1 champ.
JDS....yes very good.
so is Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira, Antônio Rogério Nogueira and Vitor Belfort.
Nothing you wrote really disproved my point. I simply mentioned MMA fighters who have used boxing and been successful. Just because your a grappler doesnt mean you cant use something like boxing standing successfully. Doesnt make u a standing expert but its MMA after all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 23:56:56 GMT -5
It comes down to the rules.
A Boxer will generally knock out a MMA fighter in a boxing fight. And a MMA fighter generally should beat a Boxer in a MMA fight.
They are two different sports with different rules and focuses.
A Boxer will be a better striker than a MMA fighter but the MMA fighter will generally have a better all range skills. The Boxer is an expert in punching and the MMA fighter is a handyman (knows everything but may not be an expert in all). Though some Handymen are experts and move into being a Handyman. Example Demian Maia. He is an expert in BJJ.
In a street fight? The better fighter but I would bet on the Boxer since it will start standing.
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Post by wolsky on Sept 13, 2013 12:41:07 GMT -5
I'm all for mma but I see it as more or whatever you prefer thing. I like that mma uses more than punches and I see it as in a street fight for example Brazilian jiu jitsu will wreck boxing
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Post by odee on Sept 15, 2013 4:58:15 GMT -5
And I responded by saying that their Boxing ability is only slightly above average, what made all of them great was their ability when all the other elements of fighting were added in, they're great brawlers, not great Boxers. www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MPMGl8KIuMRampage Jackson fights like a bear.
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Post by KyKarateka on Sept 17, 2013 18:54:41 GMT -5
The MMA fighter has more tools to use, they can adapt their game plan many more ways than a boxer can with just punches. In the boxing ring however, most MMA fighters would get destroyed.
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