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Post by peppermillk on Jun 20, 2012 23:40:31 GMT -5
Just wondering out of whatever styles people do whether you're taught how to defend against a hammer fist strike?? I`ll say its one of the primary strikes I use in my system however we haven't really been shown how to defend against one. So I'm not sure what to expect if I was ever to use one in a real situation or sparring against someone of a different style as my style is very close range I've never had the opportunity to try one in sparring
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jun 21, 2012 2:11:37 GMT -5
This would depend on ho the hammer fist is being used and its intended target.
In point sparring most people are using this strike to the top of the head. High block and counter with a reverse punch.
In self defense I would not do what is called a block. The 1st step is to move out of the way. Next you do your own strike. You have a choice of many targets depending on what they do.
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Post by peppermillk on Jun 21, 2012 15:37:45 GMT -5
Well for my style we don't evade at all it seems. Just blocks or redirections. And yea my arm conditioning wouldn't be up for a straight up block. I did mean a strike to the head btw.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 21, 2012 16:08:56 GMT -5
here's a boxing hammerfist & how to block it the block is kind of like a high angle bong sau from wing chun. a hammerfist from another style might need a bit of modification since the angles could be different but try it out and see if it works since it's better than nothing for now. other targets will be different too.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jun 21, 2012 16:55:49 GMT -5
You went way back to find that strike in boxing.
What style are you studying that does not evade? What is the target area for the hammer fist?
You do different things depending on the attack.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 21, 2012 19:50:44 GMT -5
it takes more strength to stop a technique cold, its easier to redirect, perry or evade you will use much less strength and power.
there is no one correct way that will work 100% of the time. which is why you learn all different scenarios.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 21, 2012 19:55:37 GMT -5
kokoro and jw both have great answers and are 100% it`s good to have you guys here
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 21, 2012 19:57:48 GMT -5
You can't always perfectly evade an attack. Sometimes you'll have to block or cover. My Muay Thai instinct would be to block as if I were checking a kick and didn't know if it was to the midsection or head, but without the actual kick check. That's similar to blocking a hook, but with more of an angle to the arm so that the strike slides down and the power is spread out. I'd have to turn a bit to make it work, too, otherwise it'd land right on my dome. That probably wouldn't hurt too badly since the dome is a very dense part of the head, but it'd still hurt more than blocking.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 21, 2012 20:01:22 GMT -5
I prefer to evade & parry rather than block since blocking hurts like a bitch and even numbs your arm if you get hit in the right spots but it`s not as bad getting hit in the arm with gloves but the hammerfist part is usually unprotected so it still hurts like hell.
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Post by talon on Jun 22, 2012 17:08:31 GMT -5
We have been taught several techniques, the most popular is to simply step out to the side away from the strike & counter striking. We have also been taught so "step in",{I know it sounded silly to me first tome too}, but you slightly bend your knees as you drop under the opponents arm moving then forward & up so you end up under the arm near the armpit. This takes very good timing & lots of practice to get right, but when you can do this, it takes power out of the strike & leaves you in a position for grappling, arm bars, head locks/back elbow strikes, throws, or other techniques you wish to execute from this up close & personal vantage point. We were also taught {once in the higher ranks} to punch the inner fleshy part of the forearm with a hook or back fist, which at the very least will redirect the energy of the punch or hurt enough that they wont want to do it again.Warning though I have by accident broken someones ulna{1 of 2 forearm bones} & compressed/cracked 2 of the metacarpals {top of the hand between knuckles & wrist bones} doing this. but I still like it as they seldom expect you to strike at a strike
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Post by talon on Jun 22, 2012 17:30:25 GMT -5
By the way much respect to chefsamurai for having the kahuna's to post a pic of 2 guys sparing in g-strings
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Post by rikashiku on Jun 22, 2012 17:47:45 GMT -5
How to block it? stop the bicep, stop the momentum. A very basic block, nothing to challenging. Never try to stop a strike at the bone like the elbow or forearm because you will just hurt yourself.
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Post by Possum on Jun 22, 2012 20:46:23 GMT -5
given the picture, several techniques come to mind:
1) a jab with a knuckle punch to the arm pit; 2) push the elbow into the opponent (standard ikkyo); 3) step inside with right foot throwing right elbow to face; 4) Backfist to the face 5) Poke to the eye 6) Front push kick to the knee 7) Side kick the knee 8) Slide to left, guide hammerfist down into an armbar - then break or throw 9) Slide to left, guide hammerfist down into sankyo - then pin or throw 10) Slide to left, guide hammerfist down into kokyuho - then throw 11) Slide to left, guide hammerfist down into iriminage 12) Slide to left, ridgehand to throat or nose 13) Slide to left, palm heel to chin or nose 14) Slide inside with left foot, slide in with knee to solar plexus or groin 15) Slide to left, slide back, half nelson choke 16) Step back, inside block to forearm (arm break) 17) Slide to left, kaitenage 18) Slide to left, kotegaishi (throw or break wrist) 19) Slide in, interrupt, slide back, shihonage - omote or ura 20) Slide in, interrupt, step back, shihonage - omote or ura 21) Step to right, catch, shihonage - omote or ura
...that's just the top of my head.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 22, 2012 23:40:05 GMT -5
talon- you think that's bad you should check the ancient greek fist fighting post I just made lol
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jun 23, 2012 3:53:34 GMT -5
I'm a little jealous that he was able to post a animation and I haven't figured out how to add an image to a post that I'm responding to.
If the attack is like the one on the animation there are many things you can do. A good reverse punch will stop the attack quickly along with the things possum said. But I doubt if you see this happening often
I'm still trying to figure out how how the person is trying to use a hammer fist on you that you need to stop. There are reason why a person should use a hammer fist. It is not really a first strike type of technique. My hammer fist is done as a counter. You try to hit me. I evade and do a hammer fist to your lower ribs. Most people call it a leg block. But it isn't.
I might use a my hammer fist if you try to punch or kick. I can use the hammer fist to hit the nerve or muscle of whatever you are trying to strike me with. You won't use that limb for a few.
In tournaments people especially tal people will do a soft hammer fist to the head. It is too easy to block and counter.
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