KyKarateka
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Post by KyKarateka on May 26, 2013 21:59:11 GMT -5
Yeah that's a good idea. Escapes are important in anything actually, on the streets when things go to the ground it's just a giant mess, especially with untrained fighters. The things grapplers have over untrained fighters are positioning and controlling where the fight goes.
Even then, sometimes training at the dojo doesn't fully prepare you for streets because your attackers could have an unorthodox ground game that you aren't used to which is really where I have a bit of a problem.
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odee
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Post by odee on May 27, 2013 22:14:58 GMT -5
If I suggested a person learn one thing and one thing only from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu I'd recommend they learn how those guys escape from grappling.
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Post by The Last Airbender on May 28, 2013 23:12:32 GMT -5
well the initial intent of this thread was to ask IF you were to use a throw, which would it be. but I will say I have and would at almost anytime use Judo in the street to quickly and effectively subdue an attacker. on unyielding concrete a well placed O Soto Gari will end the confrontation immediately; a poorly placed one will end it quicker. I agree however, that i'm not going to be trying throws i'm not good with (ironically enough coming from a place that drilled seoi nage into us vociferously, I suck at all forms of Seoi Nage and would never attempt it because for me it's too high-risk)yet the ones I am good with, Tai Otoshi, Harai Goshi, O Soto Gari and Tani Otoshi have worked wonders damn near every time I've applied them. and ended the confrontation immediately and without need to roll around on the lava, broken glass and AIDS syringe covered ground that people always tell me about.
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odee
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Post by odee on May 29, 2013 8:20:43 GMT -5
It's funny how the image of 'The Ground' is so different to so many people. I can't remember the last time I tackled someone into glass I punched a guy into falling over a chair once but never once have I tackled a person or been tackled into glass, or the last time I saw a syringe on the ground...it would probably be at some point while I was living in Sydney. The image that 'The Ground' gives me is of somebody managing to pin me down. I don't care if it's because they're a better grappler or because their friends are comming but being pinned down is the scary picture I imagine when I think of the big bad ground.
What about you guys? What image does 'The Ground' give you?
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Post by The Last Airbender on Jan 18, 2014 21:14:47 GMT -5
It's funny how the image of 'The Ground' is so different to so many people. I can't remember the last time I tackled someone into glass I punched a guy into falling over a chair once but never once have I tackled a person or been tackled into glass, or the last time I saw a syringe on the ground...it would probably be at some point while I was living in Sydney. The image that 'The Ground' gives me is of somebody managing to pin me down. I don't care if it's because they're a better grappler or because their friends are comming but being pinned down is the scary picture I imagine when I think of the big bad ground. What about you guys? What image does 'The Ground' give you? So, to answer this 54 years later, "the ground" seems to me, in terms of a fight, a weapon that is always there for you if you know how to use it. First off, as a Judoka I often "hit with the planet" as in, each throw is slamming you into planet Earth not just another fist or something. Secondly, if on the ground, it's a versatile weapon. I mean, you can do the movie-style head smash into the ground or simply push flesh into the ground and wipe. Unpleasant, effective, and always around for self-defense. Also, however, the ground is usually theend of the fight. Most shmucks don't know how to fight from there and if you do, unless you make an absolute mistake, you've won. You can even subdue an opponent without mangling them by choke hold or general submission to make them yield. The overall "image" I get is foremost, if it's on the ground, I want to be the one who brought it there and secondly, it's a place where most anybody can be subdued rather easily.
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odee
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Post by odee on Jan 24, 2014 0:39:55 GMT -5
Well said.
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