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Post by peppermillk on Jun 21, 2012 0:15:51 GMT -5
Just curious as to how many your style has and then what ur style is. I'm not entirly sure but I think mine has 25 to 30 possibly more. And I do southern praying mantis
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jun 21, 2012 1:06:42 GMT -5
Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu.
We have 18 Kata
There are also 7 yakusoku kumite. Most people don't mention these. It wasn't a requirement in my dojo at first, but one day a word came from the heads of the organization that we had to know and teach them too.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 21, 2012 5:51:10 GMT -5
shito ryu has 56, i still have a lot more to learn in this one shotokan depending upon who you ask 18 to about 36 or so. if you include all the basic forms
im pressed for time ill add the weapon styles in a bit
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Post by gunter on Jun 21, 2012 7:39:59 GMT -5
Wing Chun We have 6 forms plus two sticky arms/legs drills. They are- 3 empty hand forms (Siu Nim Tao, Chum Kiu and Biu Jee) 1 wooden dummy form (Muk Yan Jong) 2 weapon forms (Butterfly knives and Long pole) plus Chi sao (sticky hands) and Chi gerk (sticky legs).
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Post by Possum on Jun 22, 2012 5:31:32 GMT -5
In WTF taekwondo, that's a complicated answer. Officially, there are 17. But 8 of the forms replace an older series of 8, and some places practice both series, making the total number 25.
In ITF taekwondo, there are 26. In a similar way, there are 2 forms that have been replaced; some practice both, making the total 28. But some places to not teach all forms, so the actual number can go down.
I practice all 25 forms in WTF.
I practice 11 forms in ITF. I hate to admit this part, but in addition, we have 3 creative musical forms. Additionally, I practice 1 sword form.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 22, 2012 13:15:51 GMT -5
to continue form my previous answer. although some of it has to do with karate, some don't
Shotokan the weapons training and kata were removed sometime after ww2. there use to be about 4 or 5 bo kata and a sai kata many instrucotrs have added weapons back in from various weapon styles i teach both ryukyu kobudo, matayoshi and yamanni ryu kobudo in shotokan, but the styles of kobudo can cross styles of karate which can make the kobudo aspect more confusing. several of the kobudo kata like in karate can be in more then one styles
the shito ryu style i study contains ryukyu kobudo and teaches 5 bo kata, 2 kama, 1 eku, 3 nunchaku, 3 sai, 3 tonfa. that i am aware of. then we also lean batto jutsu which has 7 kata.
from yamanni ryu i have learned 7 bo kata, 2 sai, 2 tonfa, techu, tekko (both the tekko and the techu use the same kata) matayoshi ryu i have learned 6 bo kata
there is also other weapons that have no kata that i have learned. like the tanbo, hanbo, sansetkon
for iaido/iaijutsu/kenjutsu Seitei Ryu has 12 kata Omoti Ryu 10 kata Tomari Ryu (i have learned two different styles each with 7 kata) Muso Shinden Ryu 13 kata
In Jodo/Jojutsu Shinto Muso Ryu Jodo 12 kata
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kane
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Post by kane on Jun 22, 2012 14:51:46 GMT -5
Possum - You practice both ITF and WTF Patterns ? total how many patterns do you practice ?
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Post by shurite99 on Jun 23, 2012 22:00:34 GMT -5
Shorin Ryu. about 17 up to shodan... more afterwards. Our organisation has weapons and empty hand under the same style (i.e. karate and kobudo in same syllabus).
Some of the kata are the bigger/smaller (e.g. passai) or in some cases the tomari/shuri (e.g. chinto) versions. I'd have to guess at around 30, though I hear its more flexible at higher ranks - not so much a set syllabus.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 24, 2012 18:17:50 GMT -5
the more important aspect then the number of kata is how well you understand bunkai you can know a 100 kata and they can all be useless. or you can know one kata and it can be the most practical kata of them all because you understand applications rather then just movements
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Post by Possum on Jun 24, 2012 20:45:36 GMT -5
kane - I do practice all 36 (25 + 11) forms, plus the 3 musical and 1 sword form - a total of 40 forms. The hardest part of doing all these forms isn't remembering the techniques, it's trying to figure out unique/different bunhae (bunkai) for them. I don't really focus much on the musical forms, since the goal isn't for application. And the sword form... well let's just say I've got a way to go. I know the movements, but that's about it. I really don't "know" the form like I do the others.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 24, 2012 21:09:04 GMT -5
if you memorize principles and understand the keys to bunkai then you dont have to memorize bunkai
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Post by Possum on Jun 25, 2012 16:11:31 GMT -5
Thanks kokoro, I wish someone had explained that to me long ago. I struggled fiercely to remember my forms, it was only in the last 5 or so years that I realized exactly what you said. On the up side, I can "re-learn" everything all over again!
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aaronj
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Yondan - Shurite Karate Jitsu, Chen Taijiquan
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Post by aaronj on Jun 26, 2012 18:26:00 GMT -5
We have 16 kata altogether, and must know bunkai for each one at the next rank level in order to progress or learn any new kata. With the drilling kata short forms we have about 70, but only thirty are mandatory to learn. They must be so well known, for random calling of the form to respond to a random attack of the uke's discretion, at a random time (however immediate) from their calling out. IE: Ippon 5 - attack/defend spontaneously. This is also a requirement for the appropriate application for the leading rank.
The system is Shurite Karate Jitsu. It's Okinawan, with two Indonesian forms, a taiji form, and a bo kata.
In my school of Chen Taijiquan, there are 5 that we practice. Two of them are entirely optional.
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Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 5, 2012 17:04:28 GMT -5
My style has no forms but I added sui lim tao since my styles based on wing chun & naihanchi from wado-ryu karate since choki motobo said it contained the essence of true karate & I would like to know what that really is.
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