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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 16:23:33 GMT -5
1. A Karate school that teaches kata, bunkai, self defense applications and the traditions of Karate but NO full contact sparring. It is a traditional style (Goju-ryu) but only has mixed age classes with more children than adults.
2. A Karate school that teaches kata, bunkai, self defense applications and the traditions of Karate but DOES full contact sparring. It is a style based on Kyokushin (and the founders earlier study of Shotokan and Wado-ryu) but has adult specific classes. Their kata are the taikyoku and pinan series and then kata from Shotokan, and a little Goju and Shitoryu.
Which of these are better for an adult male?
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Post by shurite99 on Dec 5, 2012 8:15:37 GMT -5
Number 2. obvious imo
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Post by the tank on Dec 5, 2012 14:05:31 GMT -5
#2
Sparring is a big part of learning.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 20:17:41 GMT -5
Thanks guys.
So it makes no matter if you train in an original style based in Japan or a style made by a respected Westerner from his study in a number of styles. And full contact will always be better than point sparring?
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Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 5, 2012 23:11:14 GMT -5
you can do full contact sparring on your own with other people regardless of your schools policy & that's an important factor people forget about what makes peoples lineages different.
then you could start a school of the same style just with full contact sparring & they would be the same style just different lineage.
I also suggest sparring people of different styles because most people get too stuck up fighting their own & their techniques reflect that like boxers can't deflect kicks & why? because they rarely train against kickers but the ones who do are better at dealing with them.
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Post by shurite99 on Dec 5, 2012 23:13:31 GMT -5
Point sparring has its uses... particularly in the lower/mid kyu grades when they don't have much experience in maintaining form whilst under pressure. Still that's semi contact, not no contact.
If someone wishes to explore sport/point karate at a high level, why not if they find it enjoyable?
To be honest im not sure how no contact sparring is supposed to work..
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Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 5, 2012 23:24:13 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea how it's supposed to work either...
Maybe it's like counting coup in old fencing?
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Post by shurite99 on Dec 6, 2012 8:09:52 GMT -5
but what happens when someone parries the other person and they make incidental contact! lol
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Post by odee on Dec 6, 2012 19:24:52 GMT -5
Point sparring isn't all bad. In fact I believe it's only bad when it is the only form of sparring that you do. Point sparring teaches some of the most useful distance control techniques in martial arts, emphasises explosive power and people who practice it usually have a great ability to invade their opponent's guard. What a practitioner will lack if point sparring is their only sparring method is the ability to brawl until opportunity arises and force openings from close range. If you have to chose do the one that revolves around sparring. If you don't set one or two days a week aside to do the traditional one.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 7, 2012 4:00:45 GMT -5
but what happens when someone parries the other person and they make incidental contact! lol your disqualified??? lol Point sparring isn't all bad. In fact I believe it's only bad when it is the only form of sparring that you do. Point sparring teaches some of the most useful distance control techniques in martial arts, emphasises explosive power and people who practice it usually have a great ability to invade their opponent's guard. What a practitioner will lack if point sparring is their only sparring method is the ability to brawl until opportunity arises and force openings from close range. If you have to chose do the one that revolves around sparring. If you don't set one or two days a week aside to do the traditional one. Wow that's pretty insightful & accurate. I'm a big fan of mixing it up because nothing can encompass everything all at once but it's possible in succession. Your statement reminds me of why I changed my sword fighting rules... we were basically just whacking each other with bokkens full contact with hockey equipment lol We didn't learn much except to take a hit with this method so I changed it to light contact were 1 proper touch = point and 3 points = win. With this we learned a lot more and now we can really do some technical counters and stuff that we just never had the ability ti learn in full contact because you were more worried about not getting your face bashed in than doing anything technical lol And now we are better technically and we do full contact it's not just a stick beating because we learned impotent timing lessons from light contact that in full contact are more "sink or swim" kinda lessons and are easy to miss in the "heat of combat" where you can't think, just act.
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Post by odee on Dec 7, 2012 10:02:11 GMT -5
For the last eight years I've divided point sparring students into two groups. Those who can brawl and those who can't. Those who can brawl are actually really difficult to fight because you can never tell if they're going to stay close or try long range pot-shots. There is no relief from them either, leave them room and they're on you like terriers. Those who can't are small burst wonders.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 7, 2012 17:42:51 GMT -5
That makes sense & I think it's important to learn both because brawling isn't always the smartest thing to do
Last time I tried to brawl with my army buddy who doe's canadian combatives wich is like modified karate and I got a chop in the throat followed by a backfist in the balls with the same hand and I was down for about 5 minutes and I couldn't breathe & if that were self defence I would have been killed because all I could think about was getting air after that... there was no way you can fight when you can't breathe.
Now I pick him off from a distance and when I stun him I come in to follow up for a takedown because I don't like striking against his cheap ass lol
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Post by odee on Dec 7, 2012 17:56:43 GMT -5
How do you recover from a chop in the throat? You calm down to minimise your air use. How do you recover from a nut shot? Take deep breaths. Getting smacked in both means you can't recover from either. That's mean.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 7, 2012 20:25:04 GMT -5
definitely a dick move but it serves it's purpose to make people keep their distance if their too aggressive.
the bonus is it's quick and easy to pull of & even if it fails it's simple to disengage but the downside is you can't use it often because of risk of permanent damage.
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Post by odee on Dec 8, 2012 5:42:45 GMT -5
Frankly if someone makes me use a move like that I really don't give a damn what I damage.
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