ZenGenesis
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Post by ZenGenesis on Jun 21, 2012 15:32:01 GMT -5
I quit yesterday because I haven't learned anything new in forever. We keep circle walking, stretching, sparring etc. I think it's because I know LOTS of techniques and stuff and I thought I have learned enough so I quit. I'm going back to my Wing Chun school and i'm deciding whether or not I should stay there. What do you guys think? I think I have enough knowledge about it and to try something else. I just lost interest...
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 21, 2012 15:40:13 GMT -5
That sucks man but it happens & it happened to me with Judo when I was younger.
If your Wing Chun school is good go for it.
Technique is secondary to application and if you can find a use for it use it.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 21, 2012 15:40:41 GMT -5
You have to do what you think is right for you, buddy. I know I don't really belong in this forum, but I do have a traditional background so I hope nobody minds my input. Bruce Lee never mastered Wing Chun before he left it. He said he didn't feel that he personally could reach his true potential with Wing Chun. That wasn't his insult to Wing Chun as many took it at the time, but his way of saying that Wing Chun alone wasn't taking him where he wanted to be. So if Baguazhang isn't a place where you feel you can reach your own potential, then take the things that benefited you from it and move to the next thing. Lord knows I tried a lot of things before I found something I just couldn't get tired of.
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Jun 21, 2012 17:30:03 GMT -5
Thats how I was with Karate man. It's when it becomes more of a chore than it is fun, that you know you gotta change something. Don't give up on martial arts altogether though....I know I did for a while, until I discovered MMA and it became my passion. So just keep shopping around man, look for something that makes you happy.
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ZenGenesis
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Post by ZenGenesis on Jun 21, 2012 18:31:31 GMT -5
Yeah i'm taking as many things from Bagua as I can that will benefit me. My Wing Chun school is good and my mom knows my teacher so it's all well and good.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 21, 2012 19:45:24 GMT -5
My experience with Wing Chun was... Well, interesting. I didn't, and still don't, feel that the techniques worked for fighting at all. However, I did learn how to make Dit Da Jow and a great Iron Palm method from it. I also feel that the endeavor to create a punch that has no shoulder behind it helped greatly when I started doing other styles, particularly with my Jab. Like I said, I agree with Bruce Lee when it comes to finding what works for you and using it.
And that's probably the nicest thing you'll ever see me post about Wing Chun since I hate it. It's just because this is the Traditional board.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 21, 2012 20:08:54 GMT -5
its not the style thats your problem its your instructor. some instructors either dont know any more or they get stuck in a route. and dont teach new material.
for example i taught an advance class last week for one of my senior students. i took the most basic kata (taikyoku shodan) and taught applications to it for the week never going over the same application more then once. most every one in class was shocked about how a simple kata could be so complex. on the surface the kata contains all down blocks and front stance. the applications i taught just using the concept of down block and front stance was throws, locks, traps, breaks, etc. most of the students never even saw half these techniques in shotokan, and they were brown belts and up.
i taught this way to them to prove a point to them all. that even the most simplest technique can have advance applications. if you understand the technique all you need is one.
sorry i think i went off topic here.
my point was suppose to be you need to find a better instructor and not worry about the style
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 21, 2012 20:13:08 GMT -5
wow it`s sucks so many people have had bad experiences with wing chun I can`t say the same though.
I got private training for a few months and learned a lot about grappling & ground fighting which I thought was weird because before that I heard there was no ground fighting in wing chun which is a lie much like how people say there are no high kicks in it either but I learned a kick to the face in it.
My lineage was mixed Moy Yat & Nguyen Te-Cong and my sifu was only a few years older than me but damn could he kick my @$$!
He would never fight straight up though every time it was a throat strike and a kick to the sack or the of the way around and he did it so fast I couldn't even react most of the time and it worked a lot better than if he would have punched me in the shoulder or kicked me in the abs.
It has the most mcdojos out there next to tkd though and I haven't found a decent school since they are all crap that I've seen.
I had the same experience with karate too until I found a good teacher who did stuff I didn't know was even in karate but it was.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 21, 2012 20:16:20 GMT -5
I've posted this before: It's not that I had a bad Sifu. Maybe the art just wasn't for me, but I haven't met anybody personally that I could say was effective with Wing Chun anyway so I'm pretty biased.
My Sifu trained for over 20 years in China with Ip Chun. He knew his stuff when it came to Wing Chun. He was anything but a bad teacher. Great guy overall, too. I hate to say it, but I really do believe that Wing Chun simply isn't that effective for fighting. Like I said, I did get other things out of it. But there's no way I could have used it for fighting effectively, even after 3 years of training it was like I hadn't learned a single fighting technique that I could actually make work.
When it comes to choosing a martial art, to me, it comes down to what you're looking for in an art. If you're looking primarily for something with a rich history that can offer a lot of fun and give you a good look into another culture, then Wing Chun is great. If you're looking for something that's a no nonsense fighting style, then I would recommend something else.
I hope I don't sound like I'm trolling. There are a lot of Traditional styles I respect a lot. I just like to look at each style objectively, and when I do so I simply can't see Wing Chun working in a fight.
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Post by youxia on Jun 21, 2012 20:34:15 GMT -5
Hey glutton4punishment have you ever seen "Weng Chun"?
I've heard it's quite a lot different to normal Wing Chun, and contains hooks and vertical punches.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 21, 2012 20:36:21 GMT -5
No I haven't. Never heard of it. Keep in mind, guys, my opinions are my opinions. I do base them on personal experience in this case, but just because my opinion is what it is doesn't mean I'm right. But it doesn't mean I'm wrong, either!
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Post by youxia on Jun 21, 2012 20:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by kokoro on Jun 22, 2012 12:35:35 GMT -5
you can still have a good instructor but he may be narrow in his teachings or understanding,n his style or martial arts in general.
one of my instructors explained it this way once. if your digging a trench you can either focus and go very deep very quickly or focus and go very wide. or the third alternative you go deep but slowly widen it. your training is the same you can focus on a few aspects only and have a great understanding. or you can learn every possible technique but not very detailed. then there is the third one where you focus your training but gradually add more to your arsenal. many instructors i have notice particularly, beginner instructors and even some old timers. just concentrate on one aspect and never expand, they can still be a great instructor. but with a narrow focus.
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Post by aaronj on Jun 24, 2012 0:02:00 GMT -5
@youxia - I've never heard of Weng Chun, but it doesn't surprise me that there is another school claiming a variation of Wing Chun, like Wing Tsun. But there is something you should know. Wing Chun has a variety of punches, other than the most well known straight punch. The learning of the system advances the techniques after the teacher feels the student is proficient enough in the initial techniques they are studying.
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Post by aaronj on Jun 24, 2012 0:39:31 GMT -5
@zengenesis - I can fully understand your position, and nobody should ever fault another person for discontinuing something they don't feel they are enjoying. Baguazhang is a very different system than karate and judo, and even many other systems of kung fu. Bagua's most important aspect of training is the circular walking. The benefits of the walking, standing, and other seemingly pointless exercises will not become visible for a year to several years down the road. The mechanics behind Bagua are very, very different from those of 90% of the other martial arts. Being an internal martial art, the body's operating mechanics have to be completely torn down and reconstructed. In my honest opinion, I would say stick it out. You have your entire life ahead of you to learn 'fighting techniques' and that being said, you don't need a billion super awesome techniques to be able to survive. The benefits of a system like bagua are incredible. If you stay with it, you will be able to do things like this, because of all that walking, and exercising: www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOK3HUj75Gs&feature=relatedIMPORTANT NOTE!!!!!: There is NOTHING mystical about this man's abilities, and he is not zapping people with laser beams of energy. It's called fa jing that he is employing in the video. It is in the simplest of terms a kinetic linking from the expansion and rotation of different elements in his entire body. This skill is very real, and is applicable in real life, in random attacks etc. Here's another video of some good stuff www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BecKwHk14M&feature=relmfu
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