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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 2:23:19 GMT -5
Or is it a modern martial art due to its focus on alive sparring or rolling?
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Post by odee on May 5, 2013 7:28:29 GMT -5
Alive sparring does not make a difference between traditional and modern. Traditionally martial artists learned to fight by fighting, that's about as alive as it gets.
BJJ is modern because it was individualised, named and recognised recently. Give it seventy more years and it will be old enough to claim tradition.
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Post by kokoro on May 7, 2013 7:25:13 GMT -5
bjj is older then most traditional styles of martial arts, bjj goes back just about a 100 years around the 1910's to 1920's shotokan 1936 goju is also 1930 wado ryu i believe was the 1940's to 50's kykushinkai 1960's many of the over 70 tkd styles are form the 50's to the 80's
to be traditional you need to carry on traditions from one generation back, which is 20 years
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Post by odee on May 7, 2013 16:42:23 GMT -5
That's stretching it a bit Kokoro. Helio Gracie was born in 1913 and wouldn't have started learning Judo until he was ten years old himself, add onto that five or so years of learning Judo before he got old and experienced enough to start messing around with personalising what he'd learned would put Brazilian Jiu-jitsu creation in the mid 1930s at the earliest.
I like your definition of traditional though. "To be traditional you need to carry on traditions from one generation back, which is 20 years" That sits well with me, it's got nice, crisp lines.
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Post by kokoro on May 8, 2013 2:04:17 GMT -5
Real, my dates must be off a bit, that's what happens when you get old and don't use your notes. Still it's close to when many of the tma styles started. It's funny funakoshi Sensei is often mentioned to be the father of modern karate, it is never said traditional karate
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Post by odee on May 8, 2013 3:52:45 GMT -5
I think they mean Japanese controlled Karate.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on May 10, 2013 0:13:39 GMT -5
I don't really consider anything to be all that modern except for RBSD styles. I'd consider Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, and all sorts of styles considered "Modern" to be traditional styles that incorporate modern training methods. At some point, I think we may wear down the wall between traditional and modern because when it comes down to it they're all traditional. Some people just like to try to draw lines in the sand more than others.
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Post by odee on May 11, 2013 16:56:54 GMT -5
That is very poetic and a damn good point...nothing is ever clear cut is it?
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Post by boyo1991 on Jul 3, 2013 23:39:48 GMT -5
I'm afraid I must agree that its really traditional styles with modern practices. The only styles that are traditional are those that do not experiment (only possible in shiai or randori, a tournament) because they have not changed since they've started.
judoka, bjj ka, karateka, ect. are constantly re inventing the wheel, smoother bearings, new rubber, new inflation methods.
Modern and traditional, all become modern when used in a fight, its happening here and now, that's pretty modern!
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