|
Post by Glutton4Punishment on May 27, 2013 18:38:33 GMT -5
This article theorizes that the human hand may have evolved into the shape it has now specifically to withstand punching with less chance of injury. Just a theory, but if it's true it's right in the face of all of those who claim that the palm strike is just flat out superior to a punch if you don't want to break your hand. jeb.biologists.org/content/216/2/i.1
|
|
odee
Global Moderator
Kyokushin 10 years - Brazilian Jujitsu 3 years - Muay Thai 2 years.
Posts: 1,286
|
Post by odee on May 28, 2013 17:46:34 GMT -5
I've always believed that the fist is every bit as good a weapon as the palm, if not better but that's based on personal preference and the fact of Bas Rutten. Closed hands for Kyokushin, Muay Thai and Kick-boxing - Open hands for Pancration - Hands closed once again for the UFC. I found the theory pretty convincing but it actually raised a question to me, what are modern day hands like in comparison to earlier cultures like Dark Ages knights, Greek Olympians or even Cave Men?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 7:48:37 GMT -5
That's exactly what I was thinking. But it's just as likely to break your hand using your palm than your hand, at least my Shifu said that.
|
|
|
Post by Glutton4Punishment on May 30, 2013 0:37:22 GMT -5
I agree with your Sifu.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 7:51:56 GMT -5
So that's why you have to condition your hand haha.
|
|
|
Post by kokoro on Jun 4, 2013 18:29:14 GMT -5
i think its bs, i only read part of the article, i dont think its worth finishing
to begin with you dont even need your fist clinched in order to punch as long as you have correct alinement you can punch full power with your hand unclenched.
besides i dont consider finger length would not be evolution its more of a trait
|
|
|
Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 4, 2013 21:23:44 GMT -5
They aren't talking about straight up length of the fingers, they're talking about the average proportions of a human hand. A monkey has long fingers and short palms and can't make a fist. Humans can make a fist that's tight and condensed and ready to use as an impact weapon. I don't think it's really why we can make fists, but it's kind of a cool article.
I am a believer in the punch over the palm, though. I think the palm strike is every bit as likely to break one's hand if not more so. That's one of the reasons I liked the article. It points out that the fist isn't such a delicate weapon like some people think.
|
|
|
Post by kokoro on Jun 4, 2013 21:42:37 GMT -5
i wasnt talking about a palm strike if you hit wrong with a palm strike just like if you hit wrong with a fist you will mess them up
you can just fold your fingers back without clenching them and still do a full power punch
|
|
odee
Global Moderator
Kyokushin 10 years - Brazilian Jujitsu 3 years - Muay Thai 2 years.
Posts: 1,286
|
Post by odee on Jun 5, 2013 8:18:57 GMT -5
Hiraken Tsuki - Bear-hand thrust. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Hiraken.png/800px-Hiraken.pngKokoro's right about that much, a monkey, chimp or orangutan could definitely perform that move but the target tends to be soft areas like the throat or solar plexis or between ribs. Still, I've cracked ribs with a bare fist in a Kyokushin competition, I never managed that with open hands and it wasn't for lack of trying. A fist is definitely a good weapon when backed by fighting knowledge - I've never broken my hand, but I've never been dumb enough to hit things like the crown of the skull or the teeth either, I know the MMA gloves offer some support and some padding but I've seen competitors get cleaned up pretty good by straight punches to the top of the dome, I saw one guy drop and lunge for a takedown, his opponent straight-arm crowned him and stopped him cold, I know that even with MMA gloves or even Boxing gloves I would have shattered my fist, ruined my wrist and probably dislocated my shoulder if I pulled a stunt like that - That's when you know that some people's fists are really MADE for punching.
|
|
|
Post by kokoro on Jun 5, 2013 9:38:43 GMT -5
your getter warmer odee with what im talking about
let me try this way, if you look at the way bruce does his three inch punch or most people that can really do it. there fingers are not clenched all the way, they just fold back. it cuts down on the muscle tension that slows the technique down, and is more relaxed. its not just a soft tissue strike. BUT i dont recommend it for beginners either
|
|
odee
Global Moderator
Kyokushin 10 years - Brazilian Jujitsu 3 years - Muay Thai 2 years.
Posts: 1,286
|
Post by odee on Jun 5, 2013 16:02:22 GMT -5
You mean where he puts his fingertips against them and collapses his hand down until his knuckles make contact?
|
|
|
Post by kokoro on Jun 5, 2013 18:45:35 GMT -5
yes that one. his hand is not clenched
|
|
|
Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 5, 2013 20:07:49 GMT -5
I notice I tend to punch bare knuckle "incorrectly." I'm so used to gloves that I often forget to tighten my fist at the end of a punch so my hand isn't really clenched either. It's a fully relaxed punch. I've never hurt my hand punching like that, though, either. Is that sort of what you're thinking of as well?
|
|
odee
Global Moderator
Kyokushin 10 years - Brazilian Jujitsu 3 years - Muay Thai 2 years.
Posts: 1,286
|
Post by odee on Jun 5, 2013 20:53:38 GMT -5
I think that's a bad example, Lee's punch wasn't an impact move. He wasn't actually striking as such. If I had to put a figure on it I'd say 90% of that was sheer push.
|
|
|
Post by kokoro on Jun 5, 2013 21:24:33 GMT -5
well the the example is bad but the fist is what i was talking about
|
|