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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 21:13:33 GMT -5
Is Haidong Gumbo a legit martial art or a fake?
Is it real or just a marketing ploy based on Kendo?
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KyKarateka
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Post by KyKarateka on Aug 10, 2013 23:54:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure actually, I skimmed over the Wikipedia page didn't see anything too out of place (except the trademarking of the term samurang)
It arose in 1983 which is pretty recent in terms of martial arts. I can't really tell just by reading, I'd probably have to go to a school to see for sure.
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Post by odee on Aug 11, 2013 20:18:33 GMT -5
How could you ever be sure enough to call it either way? Most martial arts have been influenced in one way or another by other martial arts, especially when people using those arts have invaded their country. Japan DID invade Korea several times during Japan's feudal era so it's entirely possible that the technique for Kenjutsu (more likely than Kendo during that era) were noted and recorded. Does that make it a knock-off? Well...yeah. But it doesn't make it any less legitimate as its own martial art, after all, if we went by that logic the Kung Fu yahoos would be right in claiming that their style is the only legitimate Asian martial art and all others are just cheap immitations.
The Wikipedia page says the organization cropped up in the 80s but the organization founders claim the style is based off Kenjutsu mixed with Korean sword arts. So the best way of finding out about the legitimacy of these claims would be to look into the swords available during and shortly after the Feudal Japanese invasions of Korea. If there is no sword similar to the Katana then the organization might be just a rip-off of Kendo, if there were local designs that could have adapted Kenjutsu on a technical level, a "two-handed sabre" to use their term, that adds legitimacy to their claims. As KyKarateka pointed out the term 'samurang' and the story behind it has a Bullshido ring to it because during that era the Japanese had developed a habbit of immediately killing foreigners making it highly unlikely that a Korean played a part in creating the Samurai class, it also bypasses the possibility of the style being a battlefield lesson.
I'll use Bujinkan Ninjutsu as an example. Ninjutsu died about a hundred years ago, the last known successor of the last known school said he was teaching no students and taking the style to the grave with him. Hatsumi and several other martial artists revived it using their own martial arts experiences (Judo, Jujutsu and Karate) as a base of knowledge to fill in the gaps (cue Jurassic Park music) as far as I'm concerned that is a very cool thing to do and I'd happily practice a project style like that. But Hatsumi went further than the truth and turned it into the Bujinkan - Falsly claiming himself to be a legitimate heir to several shinobi clans. That's where it becomes Bullshido and untrustworthy.
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