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Post by Johnnie on Jun 30, 2012 9:19:26 GMT -5
Quick!! Is it possible to roll into an Armbar while the guy has a grip on your leg during a sprawl? If I face a wrestler for this tourney I just KNOW he's gunna pull out for a double leg takedown from the side. My biggest weakness. So I'd rather take some action. Is it possible to roll into an Armbar while sprawling or simply roll to be Ontop? I was practicing it as if I was sprawling and could totally see it happening. I also saw a video where in the background one guy pulled it off, although I don't know if it'll be Russian Roulette going for this type of thing. What do I do if I can't break his grip from a sprawl? I'm pretty short and probably going to be going against guys way taller than me. I'm only 15, 5'5" and 140. Breaking their grip might be a bit more difficult.
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Jun 30, 2012 11:44:58 GMT -5
Wouldn't work in my opinion, so I wouldn't try it. You need to go in with a strategy. You likely won't know anything about your opponent, so keep a good general strategy that will work for everyone. I'm not totally sure what your strengths are, but you and your coach should have worked out some sort of gameplan.
But your asking about wrestlers. Wrestlers are great at keeping the momentum going, so if you roll them over, expect them to continue it, so stop them right then and there, and use the same strategy. When someone goes in for a takedown on me, I perform Tawara Gaeshi. Look it up. Really cool move for double legs. You essentially keep the momentum going, and you roll them over the top of you. I modify it and keep it going even more to the point where I land in mount. If you haven't tried it, and practiced it, then you likely won't pull it off in the tournament.
Bottom line. Stick to what you know. Don't do anything crazy that you haven't practiced. And good luck on your tournament today dude.
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Post by The Last Airbender on Jun 30, 2012 12:57:26 GMT -5
idk what kind of tournament you're referring to, judo, wrestling, jiu jitsu, but i assume it's jiu jitsu so i'll say good things to practice, i disagree with what Keyboard Warrior mentioned before. i suggest keep the momentum going. in judo we use throws like Tawara Gaeshi or my personal favorite Hikikomi Gaeshi to counter the wrestler's double leg but we're advised to not stop the takedown then throw, but rather to roll with the momentum giving him a false sense of security and more importantly, easing your workload by rolling into top mount or side control. in other words, when he shoots in, get a good grip for the throw you're gonna use, and roll right underneath him and assist him over you onto his own back.
as for the question about an armbar from the shot. yes it's possible, however i'd rather sit off to the side and roll into omoplata from there due to the realisticness of that over catching an armbar but even then that involves "stopping" the takedown and being able to maneuver how you want. which just leads to the original need of a sprawl...
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Jun 30, 2012 13:03:30 GMT -5
idk what kind of tournament you're referring to, judo, wrestling, jiu jitsu, but i assume it's jiu jitsu so i'll say good things to practice, i disagree with what Keyboard Warrior mentioned before. i suggest keep the momentum going. in judo we use throws like Tawara Gaeshi or my personal favorite Hikikomi Gaeshi to counter the wrestler's double leg but we're advised to not stop the takedown then throw, but rather to roll with the momentum giving him a false sense of security and more importantly, easing your workload by rolling into top mount or side control. in other words, when he shoots in, get a good grip for the throw you're gonna use, and roll right underneath him and assist him over you onto his own back. as for the question about an armbar from the shot. yes it's possible, however i'd rather sit off to the side and roll into omoplata from there due to the realisticness of that over catching an armbar but even then that involves "stopping" the takedown and being able to maneuver how you want. which just leads to the original need of a sprawl... Read what I wrote again. I think you misunderstood. Tawara Gaeshi is exactly what I told him to do.
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Post by Johnnie on Jun 30, 2012 19:06:00 GMT -5
I took your advice and stuck to what I knew. I got 2nd place for my first actual tournament. I'm proud of myself. I didn't have time to look up the judo throw since I was minutes away from my next match during the break, but I had an idea what you meant with keeping the flow moving, the first round I won but he was my size and age. The second guy was obviously a wrestler for the shirt itself said Wrestling, probably 17 and very fit, he was taller than me as well. For a moment I got a bit discouraged. When he shot for the double leg, I caught butterfly, threw him over in a backwards roll, and landed in mount. I ended up winning by points for holding mount. Finally.. In the final match I ended up losing to a triangle, my biggest weakness. I panicked because I knew it was my biggest weakness and made everything a whole lot worse. Regardless, my whole team won either 1st or second in their age/weight classes. Today was a good day, and I took your advice keyboard warrior. My grandparents had honey sticks and they brought them over. Sucked the dear life out of them haha. My coach definitely helped me get to where I was. As a last second move he taught me a triangle variant right then and there on the wooden floor, I ended up winning with that exact triangle and went on to the finals. Where I lost.. To a triangle lol.
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Jun 30, 2012 22:58:21 GMT -5
Wow good job man, I'm proud of you. Sometimes thats all its about man, is just having a good strong base, and sticking to it. You'd be amazed how many guys get their blue belts and don't even have the basics down. Good juob on the Tawara Gaeshi, thats preciesly like how I perform it, where you fall into butterly guard. Catches alot of guys by surprise. I still catch my coach in it sometimes.
For next time, i know that triangles can be scary, so two things. Whenever I'm in someones closed guard, I usually clasp my hands together, so that they can't separate my arms to get a triangle. Second off, when someone does manage to land a a triangle, just stack them, meaning get your forehead to their forehead, and most will let go right there. Or just posture up and keep your weight on his belly.
You did alot better than I did in my first few tournaments. So congrats man, I hope you stick with it, and keep posting your BJJ journey here.
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Post by Johnnie on Jul 1, 2012 0:53:16 GMT -5
Thank you so much dude!! Although I don't know you personally, it actually means alot coming from you haha. Seriously man, you definitely helped me get that win in my second match. As soon as my coach yelled ten seconds I held on for dear life. This guy never stopped moving. I'll be sure to share my long growing journey with you guys. I seriously want to start wrestling as well alongside of my expansion with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and this forum Dojo as well, and by the way, I actually did stack the guy that had me in the triangle, although I had a brain fart while in it. I stacked him until my forehead hit the matt. It didn't break his triangle. He literally did a warrior cry while I pressured into him though. It kinda stunned me since it was right in my ear. Well anyways, after stacking him for so long he eventually flipped me and tried going for an Armbar while stuck in the triangle but I flipped him back into a normal triangle to get rid of his leverage. I finally began to panick when I noticed I was getting tired from the lack of circulation. It got to the point where it felt like I was somebody watching what my eyes were seeing on a screen. I tapped out right there and then. I thought I was passing out haha. Either way, like I said. I'm glad my team took on the whole tournament. Some of those other coaches are assholes though. I beat one of the guys and he started crying, the coach literally stands over him and starts yelling at him with a bunch of useless crap.. my coach instantly said "that's not a true coach." I kinda felt bad for the guy..
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Jul 1, 2012 4:20:30 GMT -5
You're welcome dude, I'm really glad I made a difference. And with triangles, it happens man, I got caught in a triangle last week by some big ass dude. It just happens.
And yea dude, some coaches are assholes. I'm glad you have a good team.
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Post by The Last Airbender on Jul 1, 2012 11:23:07 GMT -5
no no. i agreed with the tawara gaeshi. i disagreed with you when you said stop the shot then throw cause wrestlers have good momentum or what have you. you may have worded it wrong or meant it exactly as it was typed but i just wanted to add that stopping the shot in my Judo exp. is a tougher and rather useless step in the throw if you have good grips to fully commit to tawara gashi in the first place. letting them roll onto their own back and you into mount is much easier when their foward momentum is taken advantage of.
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Post by The Last Airbender on Jul 1, 2012 11:26:51 GMT -5
also, just for semantics, not to be a dick, doing a butterfly guard style rollover is either Sumi Gaeshi or Hikikomi Gaeshi depending on angle and grips. Tawara Gaeshi is a terrific sacrifice throw but without the legs
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Post by Johnnie on Jul 1, 2012 16:11:10 GMT -5
also, just for semantics, not to be a dick, doing a butterfly guard style rollover is either Sumi Gaeshi or Hikikomi Gaeshi depending on angle and grips. Tawara Gaeshi is a terrific sacrifice throw but without the legs Wait.. You're telling me I accidentally did an official Judo throw without realizing it? What is this fuckery!?!
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Jul 1, 2012 16:37:56 GMT -5
no no. i agreed with the tawara gaeshi. i disagreed with you when you said stop the shot then throw cause wrestlers have good momentum or what have you. you may have worded it wrong or meant it exactly as it was typed but i just wanted to add that stopping the shot in my Judo exp. is a tougher and rather useless step in the throw if you have good grips to fully commit to tawara gashi in the first place. letting them roll onto their own back and you into mount is much easier when their foward momentum is taken advantage of. Oh no, I didn't mean that at all. I mean, keep it going, because yeah, wrestlers are great at keeping the momentum going, like I said. Use that force to continue it. I didn't mean stop the shot, THEN go for it. I'm not even sure if it would work at that point, if you don't have the momentum, and then on their knees. also, just for semantics, not to be a dick, doing a butterfly guard style rollover is either Sumi Gaeshi or Hikikomi Gaeshi depending on angle and grips. Tawara Gaeshi is a terrific sacrifice throw but without the legs Is it? I admit, I know very little about judo throws man. I knew that there were tons of variations, but this just astounds me.Thats cool, because I do that quite a bit. I think I do Sumi more, but with Tawara Gaeshi grips.
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Post by The Last Airbender on Jul 1, 2012 19:09:52 GMT -5
Hikkomi Gaeshi Tawara Gaeshi
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Post by Johnnie on Jul 1, 2012 21:43:11 GMT -5
The way I threw the wrestler was sort of like the second one. Except I had a semi-guillotine choke and rolled all the way with me landing in full mount, he slipped out of the choke though during the roll. I also had a wizard on his arm if that matters.
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Post by The Last Airbender on Jul 2, 2012 1:13:47 GMT -5
without seeing i couldn't say what it should be called, but it's really irrelevant. if it works; use it til it doesn't. naming a tech afterwards is just for fun as long as it helped you, it was good martial arts
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