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Post by youxia on Jul 10, 2012 15:36:18 GMT -5
Yeah, theres always the point most masters make of trying it yourself first. I can see what Bruce thought was useful, someone else might think of as stupid.
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Post by youxia on Jul 10, 2012 15:37:27 GMT -5
And I totally forgot he never got that far along in it lol
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 10, 2012 15:40:26 GMT -5
yeah exactly and not just that also a 400 lb 7ft tall man won't be able to fight the same as a 150lb 5ft tall man and vice versa so what each will find from a style useful is different.
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Post by ZenGenesis on Jul 10, 2012 17:25:11 GMT -5
Youxia got it. Ok thx i'll tell him now lol
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Post by youxia on Jul 10, 2012 18:02:29 GMT -5
Hold on man, I was wrong. Like chefsamurai said, what's useful for Lee might not be useful for your friend.
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Post by kokoro on Jul 10, 2012 18:09:57 GMT -5
zen the history wasnt necessarily for you,
but as i also said earlier he should focus on one style not multiple one
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 11, 2012 0:23:41 GMT -5
Is that really a style? If no two school actually teach the same things. I don't claim to be the most well verse person on JKD.But the schools that I'm familiar with have instructor that are experienced in a couple of arts Then the next school have their experience in something different.
I would think to have qualify something as a style everyone should be doing the same thing. I don't have you 12 years in JKD. but I have more than that in just one art. If I go to another school they will also teach the same kata If you are learning Matsubayashi Ryu Shorin Ryu you must learn the same 18 kata. If not you are not doing the style. You are doing something else. Now Kobayashi Ryu Shorin Ryu share many of the same kata. But you will find some things are different in the kata. They also have I believe 20 kata instead of the 18 in Matsubayashi Ryu. That doesn't include the kobudo kata.
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Post by aaronj on Jul 13, 2012 12:37:14 GMT -5
zengenesis - If he wants to add WC to his study, then by all means. He will be furthering his understanding of the base system in which Bruce Lee used to create JFGF. It will not cause any harm to him mechanically, and that is the key factor in deciding what to add or strip away.
This brings me to my next point. You are learning JFGF right now, and you are contemplating MT before heading off to China to study BG or XY... As long as you don't try learning the latter two and then switch back to MT and then back to the others you will survive. The systems of study BG and XY are two incredibly different ones mechanically speaking, and you will damage any progress you could make in them by moving from internal to external and back etc. The most important thing with these systems is the retraining of your internal mechanics. They are NOT the same as with a 'soft' system like WC, or Goju Ryu etc. They may look no different to the untrained eye, but there are enormous differences in what you are using to move and HOW you are moving. My recommendation to you, would be to just stay with what you are doing now until you are ready to completely give into an internal system. If you don't, you will waste your time, and these systems take years to develop the physical nature.
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Post by ZenGenesis on Jul 13, 2012 18:25:44 GMT -5
aaronj I've taken Baguazhang for 5 years. I already have a feel for it. And Baguazhang and Xingyiquan are usually trained together as they are similar and both are internal.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 13, 2012 19:56:40 GMT -5
@jw- yes and no it's complicated...
if one gyms style's jun ffan is a mix of caoperia & taekwondo and anothers is a mix of judo & systema things will be different outside of the tao.
it's like putting pieces of a puzzle together, somewhere between all styles is the true human style.
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Post by aaronj on Jul 13, 2012 20:09:43 GMT -5
There is something that may fit here, although it is more of a proverbial saying...
The tiger can only fight as the tiger, and the crane can only fight as the crane; but the dragon has no boundary, it is one and it is all.
Think of ourselves, being human, with the nature of the dragon.
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Post by aaronj on Jul 13, 2012 20:26:44 GMT -5
@zengenesis -
In an earlier post you mentioned that you are currently in JKD and are thinking of heading back in to BGZ. Are you still attending the BG school or are you currently only attending the JKD school? Also, with only 5 years of training, you are only beginning to understand the system itself. I'm not knocking your experience, but these internal systems take at least 7 years to get the basics of the internal mechanics down, before you can truly see a change in your body.
If you want to try and dabble in the precursing style of JKD/WC, you should check out Wu Mei Pai/Ng Mui.
You could also check out Pak Mei or Yong Chun White Crane.
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Post by youxia on Jul 21, 2012 5:25:42 GMT -5
not relevant but cool jkd pic lol Attachments:
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Post by ZenGenesis on Jul 22, 2012 20:29:53 GMT -5
aaronj I did Bagua for 5 years. I'm currently doing Jun Fan Gung Fu. I am actually thinking of doing some Muay Thai after JFGF. I quit the Bagua school and i'm only attending the JKD school. I do agree with you but I honestly feel like I have learned enough from Bagua. I don't know why and it might feel like a noobish feeling but I really do. But i'm taking what I learned from Bagua that I though was useful with me too.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Aug 4, 2012 10:33:07 GMT -5
@zen- man internal is the way to go with jkd!
my last sifu was a taijiquan teacher before he took up jkd and I've never seen anyone fight like him he's like a machine is the best way to describe it.
you do anything and you get countered in many different ways at once it's weird how he flows and I can't do it for the life of me but he swears up and down it's internal training and he told me if I keep up my internal practice I will be able too.
he also told me internal means mind too and I think he can just feel what do do next based on his sensitivity training he knows exactly what your doing when your grappling him it's scary.
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