ZenGenesis
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Post by ZenGenesis on Jul 10, 2012 2:02:30 GMT -5
My friend who trains with me in Jun Fan Gung Fu is making some sort of list of arts he's adding to his "Jeet Kune Do" or whatever... I don't know. But he's wondering if he should add Wing Chun. I mean, Wing Chun does a lot of intercepting and trapping and Jeet Kune Do means Way of the Intercepting Fist. They both do trapping and intercepting so should he add Wing Chun to the list or no because Jeet Kune Do in general already has it? I'm wondering about the same thing. I know this sound confusing but try to understand what i'm trying to say. I don't want no lesson on Jeet Kune Do because I know what it is. I don't know why he's making the list either so don't ask me that.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 10, 2012 2:07:48 GMT -5
Are you asking if you friend should begin to learn jeet kune do and or wing chun in addition to Jun Fan Gung Fu?
If so that is his personal choice. My personal choice would be to learn more of what I'm currently learning. Maybe build a strong very strong foundation in it before I would consider adding anything.
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Post by ZenGenesis on Jul 10, 2012 2:18:55 GMT -5
No, he's listing the arts he should include in his Jeet Kune Do. He's asking if he should add Wing Chun to it but is undecided because Jeet Kune Do itself does the trapping and intercepting like Wing Chun.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 10, 2012 2:30:30 GMT -5
your supposed to quit your jkd school at some point and expand your horizonz that's just the way of jk and if you stay at your gym forever learning what your jkd teacher knows your doing exactly what bruce lee, creator of jkd, saiid not to do.
your supposed to get a good strong base in your schools jun fan gung fu though.
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Post by ZenGenesis on Jul 10, 2012 2:42:28 GMT -5
Uhm, I know that Chef. I'm planning on quitting after a year or a year and a half and maybe do Muay Thai or go back to my Baguazhang school before I go to China for 3 years to learn more Baguazhang and Xingyiquan. When I come back, I might be done with going to martial art schools or might go to the mma gym to do Muay Thai some more. But please try to answer the question, my friend won't stop bugging me and it's almost 4am!
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jul 10, 2012 3:01:58 GMT -5
So you do know that Lee wasn't creating a style? It was his philosophy. What was meant by intercepting fist was not meeting force with force. Learning to blend with the force. Since Lee never really became no more than the equivalent of a 1st degree black belt. He previously thought that you counter force with greater force. He he continued his training under his instructor he would have learned this there. But he might not have ever became famous if that ad happened. Many beginner martial artist tend to believe that you must meet force with force. But well seasoned martial artist understand this concept. This is the same principle of aikido. You do not meet force with greater force. You allow the force to defeat itself. When A person that studies aikido talk about those that study other arts they believe that we only use force or greater force and against force. They will say that knowing I'm in the dojo. I jut let them believe what they want.
It still comes down to personal choice. If he wants to he should if he can find a good instructor.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 10, 2012 3:18:00 GMT -5
@jw- yeah the style he created was jun fan gung fu & the philosophy was jeet kune do I know I've only been training in jkd& jfgf for 12 years and got my assistant instructors lever 1 certificate.
And I know force vs force the stronger one wins so when you don't fight someone and instead go along with them and force them harder in their direction it's harder for them to styo.
And the philosophy of jkd is a philosophy to help you cross train instead of just doing it randomly and intercepting is just one of the many philosophies in it it has many more but the main one is there are no styles there is just fighting and style is just a way of someone limiting themselves like french style cooking would restrict a chef to using only french cooking techniques & ingredients meanwhile there are many other great foods too cook using different methods.
@zen- jws right bottom line you should find a good instructor over all else because that's the best way to learn anything is with a good teacher and since jung fan gung fu has a lot of wc in it including chi sao & fajing it's good to learn wc to get a better understanding of those concepts since most jkd schools I've been to are lacking a bit.
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Post by kokoro on Jul 10, 2012 7:32:18 GMT -5
from my understanding he never meant for jun fan gung fu to be a style as he didnt want it limited like other styles. or something like that. so he created jkd instead. it want until recently they started using the name jun fan gung fu
zengenesis, it comes down to a personal choose like the others have said. although i recommend against studying multiple styles in the beginning
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 10, 2012 9:07:13 GMT -5
kokoro- yeah that's what I heard but every jkd school actually teaches you some kind of style and that's what we call the jun fan gung fu to clarify the difference between the philosophy of jkd & the style's taught at all the jkd schools. It's a way of saying I learned a style at a jkd school without saying the style you learned was jkd if you get what I mean.
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Post by kokoro on Jul 10, 2012 9:26:32 GMT -5
i knew they taught some style. i didnt know it had a specific name for it.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 10, 2012 9:31:42 GMT -5
they don't per say but from my experience we just call it jun fan usually to differentiate the style taught vs the philosophies taught but some even call it their own name like ju-trap boxing lol
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Post by ZenGenesis on Jul 10, 2012 14:26:37 GMT -5
No one is understanding what i'm saying lol. I know all about JKD JFGF all of that don't give me a history lesson. I already know everything about it. He has a list of arts he is putting into his JKD. He's asking if he should put Wing Chun in there because JKD itself is the way of the intercepting fist. He is NOT looking for somewhere else to train and he is NOT looking for a good instructor to train him. Wow, I didn't know this question was hard to answer.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 10, 2012 15:03:59 GMT -5
yes if he want`s too I odn`t see anything wrong with it since it`s already in the jdkf he will just be expanding upon the wc aspects in the system that might have been left out that could be beneficial & I added wc to my jkd and It helped my fajing & chi sao interceptions like lap sao & bong sao because wc usually has an emphases on chi sao and I only learned the 1st form called sui lim tao & it helped a lot too surprisingly my wrists are much more flexible from the wrist rotations and my fajing mechanics are better from it IMO.
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Post by youxia on Jul 10, 2012 15:25:56 GMT -5
Is there any point in doing that? I thought he took all took everything he thought was good in WC for his kung fu already, so he's effectivley already got some Wing Chun from Jun Fan right?
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jul 10, 2012 15:33:57 GMT -5
@youxia- he took what was useful for him which might not be so useful for me or you and that's what jkds all about doing things to learn not simply because someone says it's good or not because then your putting yourself in a box & limiting yourself for no other reason than simple mindedness & not willing to learn for yourself.
If it has something useful to offer take it & lee never learned bill gee or a few other things from wc he wasn't that high ranked only 1st black belt equivalent about
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