Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Sept 18, 2012 11:07:40 GMT -5
Hmmm.. I thought you were leaning towards Islam? You know you must give up the ham....lol nah I'd wrap it in bacon lol it's just canadian culinary tradition brought over from england & I'm pretty sure the ausies inherited it too but they took it in a different direction.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Sept 18, 2012 12:00:51 GMT -5
If the goverment cant get involved who's to say they cant pay the workers $1 a day???
it's like running a sweat shop and by paying the workers as little as possible you can profit much more than if you paid them well.
in the end of the day the work doesn;lt have to pay the worker enough to live if they don't want to & there's not much the worker can do about it except quit & hope to find a job where the owner would pay the workers enough to live.
many 3rd world country are capitalist and they run the exact sweat shops im talking about all because of the capitalist influence from america and they barely make enough to live & some don;t even make that and theres only 2 things they can do about it, nothing & like it lol.
why would capitalism in america be any different?
especially now when already people don't care about anyone but themselves? why would they give you 10$ an hour when they can open the same shop in india and pay them 1$ a day to do the exact same thing you were doing for 10$ an hour??
it's all good on paper until it's enacted like all extremist beliefs.
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Post by The Last Airbender on Sept 18, 2012 12:50:04 GMT -5
They CAN pay the workers a dollar a day. But since the Purchasing Power of the population would decrease, they'd have to lower prices of their products in order to make it affordable for the consumer to purchase. Many 3rd world countries are CORPORATIST not Capitalist. They have Corporations who prey on the needs of the poor and work around the corrupt gov't to make a profit. gov't DOES play a role in Capitalism, it make the market free. It dismantles monopolies and it keeps the workers safe. But minimum wage is directly proportional to the PPP of each individual. If you pay them low wages, they don't have enough to buy what you're selling. 2 solutions: raise salary or lower prices.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Sept 18, 2012 13:07:57 GMT -5
or sell to your rich buddys who run business making mass money from the poor people working themselves into debt while making their bosses rich.
and I didn't really know there was difference between capitalism & corporatist thanks for clearing that up.
and a lot of people can't afford brand name stuff that's why there's generic brands.
but the rich people buying the rich people pay enough for their stuff to keep the other rich people rich.
and there are people working at a ferari that can't afford one lol so selling to the people you have working for you isn't always in the interest of a business
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Post by The Last Airbender on Sept 18, 2012 14:56:33 GMT -5
If people are being paid a dollar, no one is buying, if no one is buying, your rich buddies aren't getting all that rich now are they? Ferrari makes a product that SOMEONE buys. if all people were being paid a dollar, no one would afford one thus they'd have to change that. maybe not their exact employees but if all companies pay low wages then all consumers with have low disposable income thus you won't get their money.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Sept 18, 2012 15:34:11 GMT -5
so it's pimps & hoes to the extreme lmfao
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Post by jwbulldogs on Sept 19, 2012 23:53:12 GMT -5
So..um you rather we lock everyone in a building make them work 15 plus hours a day? Make them live at work or in a work community overcrowded building until they start jumping out of building to escape the stress of working. Then we would have to put net around our building to attempt to catch those that daily attempt to commit suicide. Is that what you are suggesting?
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Post by The Last Airbender on Sept 20, 2012 13:59:41 GMT -5
That has little to nothing to do with Capitalism and Free Trade.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Sept 20, 2012 14:37:41 GMT -5
@avatar- no but how their system is run is capatilism, the hoe makes the pimp the money & the pimp chooses how little he gives the hoe even though they made it for them.
@jw- no lol let them come and go as they please but pay them fair wages like if they make you $10,000 a day then at least pay them enough to pay rent/mortgage & buy groceries for themselves to live instead of not paying them enough so they have to get 2 or more jobs especially if they are making you a ton of cash but.
but at the end of the day no one wants a million dollar cheque (or check in American English) when they can get a billion dollar cheque by paying everyone less to do more & that's why capitalism fails over time, it starts out ok but over time it burns out of control like a wild fire with inflation and greed because there is nothing to stop your greed except the tyrannical & oppressive measures your willing to enact to bring it to fruition.
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Post by The Last Airbender on Sept 20, 2012 19:07:46 GMT -5
i disagree entirely. Capitalism checks and balances itself. all people enter the market place to seek their own gain. (you do not pay $200 for socks) so somewhere, the equilibrium will be met. in nations like China that JW described, they have crony capitalism and corporatism (as we do in America to a lesser extent) where the gov't actually subsidizes big business and the gov't is paid by lobbyists. that's not a free market. a free market is one where the gov't steps in to promote free trade and keeps the workers safe so as to keep the society functioning. even Adam Smith, founder of Capitalism states that the people must lobby the government to enact change in the work place.
and pimps and hoes are different because they operate on an illegal scale. if prostitution were legal, we'd see much less woman-abuse and safer regulations for the workers
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Post by jwbulldogs on Sept 20, 2012 23:39:24 GMT -5
Well no one goes into business just to break even no matter what they claim on their taxes. A business person is in business to make as much profit as they can. The difference between the owner and the worker the owner was willing to take a risk and lose everything in order to make money. The worker played it safe. They assume no risk and they agree to work for tat salary. I've know people that complain about how much they make on the job with me. My response to them is to stop complaining, You agreed to work for that amount. If you didn't think it was fair yo could have turned it down. They have the opportunity to start their own business and pay their own salary.
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Post by odee on Sept 21, 2012 19:37:54 GMT -5
The difference is Union organisation, not freedom. By utilising the Union system we the workforce band together and demand a pay increase, better working conditions, longer breaks ect. or threaten a mass exodus of skilled and experienced workers that will have to be replaced and or trained and replaced, the company then decides if that exodus will do more damage to their profit margin than a pay increase would and negotiations proceed until an agreement is reached. People in Australia went rather bonkers when John Howard downsized Union power with his work choices act that allowed bosses to negotiate with their employees as individuals rather than through a union and lots of people suffered pay cuts because they lacked confidence in themselves and agreed with the bosses demands, personally I hated my job, my boss came in with a pay cut for me and I promised my letter of resignation the next day - agreement reached and my pay stayed as it was. I still wonder if I should have pushed for an increase. The downside of the union system is that it has gained too much power and created job security for people who really don't deserve it which makes bosses cautious about hiring in case they wind up stuck with a slacker and no way of removing them.
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Post by The Last Airbender on Oct 4, 2012 14:28:23 GMT -5
who watched the presidential debate? What'd you think?
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Post by Keyboard Warrior on Oct 5, 2012 3:38:39 GMT -5
Everyone is saying Obama lost...but I just don't see it. Do I wish to hell that Obama called Romney out on the flat out lies, hell yes I do...but he did it for a reason. He's not the type of guy Romney is...he doesn't bully people. He isn't about making the talking points about how his opponent is bad...he's about making the talking points about him and why his policies are good. And really thats what it should be about in my opinion.
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Post by The Last Airbender on Oct 5, 2012 14:05:44 GMT -5
eh.. Obama got his ass handed to him. Romney, while i dislike him, laid out his plan in bullet format, uses statistics and research to back up his claims, answered all the questions and always responded to Obama. The President on the other hand tried to demagogue Romney's plan as too expensive but use WRONG facts to do it and Romney was able to counter that with facts and explain it more thoroughly. Also, Obama essentially ignored certain questions and just kept pivoting to other topics.
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