talon
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Post by talon on Jun 21, 2012 4:11:15 GMT -5
Aikido here is also known as "the passive art", I was encourages my my teacher to go & learn it for a while,,as at the time my defense was practically non-existent & I would just take the hits & just carry on {I guess it was a habit I formed while street fighting}. I did this for 5 days a week for 6months & although I did not falling love with the art, I did learn the fundamentals of defense, break falling, redirection, extending myself/reaching beyond what i thought I was capable of to do much more & about Ki energy & what you could achieve with it. These have improved my defense & offense greatly,plus it opened my mind to new possibilities & adaptations of my own techniques, so I can see why some people would get right into it, as it offers much more than just defense & harmony.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 21, 2012 19:37:04 GMT -5
Ki energy is a bunch of crap. I did Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido for a while myself and they couldn't shut up about that crap. O Sensei didn't ever preach anything about Ki. Plus all of the tricks are just that - tricks. The unbendable arm, for example, is just knowing how to use force properly to keep your arm extended. If you go limp, your arm will bend. If you tense your arm, your bicep flexing will make it easier to bend than if you relax it. If you just use your tricep by acting like you're continually reaching for something, that's the trick. The whole "focusing your ki through the arm" thing really is just a way of tricking yourself into doing that.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 21, 2012 22:00:16 GMT -5
life energy is real because when you die there are no more energy signals in your body.
what separates the living from the dead is that energy.
like brainwaves no longer function in a dead body but you can read them with computers thy are so strong in a living person.
try getting an energy reading from a stone that changes patterns like the energy in a living creature lol
without energy we die it's a proven fact
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Post by odee on Jun 21, 2012 22:39:27 GMT -5
I don't think Ki and Chi are crap. I think they're badly explained and blown out of proportion by idiots and bullshit artists. My thoughts on Chi and Ki is oxygen. Plain and simple, all around you, can't live without it and being able to use more of it makes you more powerful and able to recover quicker. People breathe better when they calm themselves down. People can fight harder and longer when they can suck more oxygen into their body. Mountain training works because it forces you to use the oxygen you gather more efficiently. Forest training works because it saturates your body with oxygen. Even their characters are the same. 氧 Oxygen 氧 Chi/Qi
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Post by talon on Jun 22, 2012 0:40:37 GMT -5
In my experience those who have not the skill to harness their own Ki energies, are usually the ones who dump on it the most. But in saying that, people function basically by a series of electrical impulses{through our nervous system}. The science behind Ki/Chi energy is redirecting that energy, be it as a strike or redirection of someone else's energy or becoming an immovable object, etc. The Key to Ki is having mastery over your own bodies energy & using that, sounds kinda simple, but very few can truly master it.
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Post by rikashiku on Jun 22, 2012 8:27:32 GMT -5
What would be considered traditional and what would be considered modern? I never considered Taekwondo to be a traditional martial art because it never followed a tradition and the reason there are so many kicks is because soldiers are always holding their guns.
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Post by MA Ray on Jun 22, 2012 13:30:49 GMT -5
Hmmm.....interesting. It looks like traditional has a huge fan support base. The "both" choice negates itself out so that doesn't count towards any side. But TMA has 7 votes while Modern only has 2. I chose both so I'm unbiased but if people start hating on my arts or styles, then war starts!
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Post by defendu on Jun 23, 2012 18:51:26 GMT -5
I don't give a rats ass what system, style or martial art you do. As long as I have the best technique to beat the absolute shit out of my enemy
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 23, 2012 19:14:41 GMT -5
In my experience those who have not the skill to harness their own Ki energies, are usually the ones who dump on it the most. But in saying that, people function basically by a series of electrical impulses{through our nervous system}. The science behind Ki/Chi energy is redirecting that energy, be it as a strike or redirection of someone else's energy or becoming an immovable object, etc. The Key to Ki is having mastery over your own bodies energy & using that, sounds kinda simple, but very few can truly master it. I've done Qigong and Yang Style Taijiquan in the past. I know how to "Feel" Chi in the lower, middle, and upper Dan Tien. But over time I stopped believing in it when I came across people that didn't fall for the tricks. It's all hypnotic suggestion. Rooting skills? I could get a ton of people to fall for that, and I'm sure I still can, and it's all because they themselves think it's going to work. The mind is a powerful thing. But as soon as I came across a skeptic, he was able to lift me over and over again without even noticing the slightest difference in difficulty. There's no mystical energy that you can harness to do superhuman feats. All of those tricks are just tricks. If you like them, look at them from a physics standpoint, not from a standpoint of "Holy CRAP, it must be a mystical energy like they claim!" I'm not saying that there's nothing to be gained from practicing things like Qigong or Taijiquan. If anything, I support them. When doing Qigong, I can and do feel a difference in mental clarity and overall energy. There's some real benefits in breathing exercises and moving meditations, but it's not because of some BS mysticism. Odee's thoughts on it are actually very agreeable. But I don't support the belief in bullcrap like Dim Mak.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 23, 2012 19:26:26 GMT -5
life energy is real because when you die there are no more energy signals in your body. what separates the living from the dead is that energy. like brainwaves no longer function in a dead body but you can read them with computers thy are so strong in a living person. try getting an energy reading from a stone that changes patterns like the energy in a living creature lol without energy we die it's a proven fact Yes, there is electrical energy in our bodies. But science has been completely incapable of linking that energy to "Chi" in any way. There is absolutely no evidence that Chi exists aside from tricks performed by it's proponents. Every time it's held under scrutiny of any kind, it doesn't work. That's why nobody's taken James Rhandi's million dollars.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 24, 2012 6:51:44 GMT -5
unless you feel chi most likely you will not believe in it.
but chi is energy if you take a volt meter and put each lead in your hands you can measure the voltage and current, hence energy, and chi is energy. the chinese and japanese understand it at a different level then us some people can control there heart and blood pressure others there chi. as for all the super natural feats i would agee 90% is mostly bs. we are all bound by the laws of physics.
there is a very simple way to see work with the energy, if you apply a kote gaeshi or wrist lock in the directions of north south east and west, you can feel that certain directions cause more pain and certain directions less. i believe it was north was more and south less, maybe i have it backwards, its been a while. this has to do with the direction of energy you get from the earth and effects your internal chi.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 24, 2012 14:36:08 GMT -5
Once again, Hypnotic Suggestion. I can still trick myself into "feeling Chi" with it. Felt it before. In the words of Thom Yorke: "Just 'cause you feel it doesn't mean it's there."
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 24, 2012 15:59:37 GMT -5
isn't life energy what separates the living from the dead?
both are people just one has no brainwaves or other energy patterns while the other does.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 24, 2012 16:17:25 GMT -5
I'm not saying there's no such thing as energy, I'm saying that it's not the same thing. I've never once seen anybody use Chi to manipulate a volt meter. Can I get some evidence here, or just "well, this was my experience"? I don't form opinions based on what people tell me. Sources, please. That million dollars James Randi still has is quite a source, I'd say.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 24, 2012 17:50:54 GMT -5
volt meters run on ac or dc electricity bit they won't detect wifi or microwave signals & you can try all day t it won't work even though they are energy.
show me a wifi signal lighting up an ac or dc meter.
or is a wifi signal not energy?
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