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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 26, 2012 0:15:51 GMT -5
He set a record with that kick lol got a link to the blocked vid? NVM, found the vid. It didn't say how hard in lbs or anything, but they said the kick caused 67mm of deflection. The guy in the video who works with crash test dummies said he'd never seen a number that high from any crash test.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 26, 2012 6:21:17 GMT -5
regardless of these tv videos proving or disproving anything. You all forget tv has one purpose to make money, regardless of weather not they are accurate or correct. they dont care how accurate, correct or mis-leading they are. even the news and documentary, all they care about is there bottom line. regardless of what you look up there is always one that will say its falsu and another saying its true and both with proof I have no issues with your outlook on it, Odee. As for feeling it, how the heck am I supposed to know if somebody "truly feeling Chi" is really just all in their mind or not? Keep in mind that I am a skeptic. To be a skeptic doesn't mean to simply discount everything all the time. how are you suppose to know? its like when you bring a technique to the next level you know its there, you can feel the difference. chi is the same way there will be no doubt in you mind when you really feel vs a questionable feeling (well it could have been chi or it could have been my mind), its a tremendous difference. not a little one
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Post by odee on Jun 26, 2012 7:26:54 GMT -5
Kokoro, Bas Rutten stated on Sherdog that he himself disagreed with a lot of the results from that show. Pointed out that he'd have gotten better results than three of the four guys who demonstrated their kicks for comparison on the swinging bag simply because he's a bigger guy.
Bas also pointed out that the reason the kicks all scored so high in the second test that he followed was because rather than the swinging bag the second lot of tests were made on a dummy strapped to a chair that was backed onto a steel block that wasn't going anywhere. It's also worth pointing out that the kick Bas used was labeled by the tech dude as an MMA kick. What it is is a pure Muay Thai kick, the only thing that could possibly be mixed about it is that Kyokushin Karate uses that same kick and Bas learned Kyokushin and Muay Thai from the same guy.
The only reason I'm interested is because the bat test and Bas's kick were recorded on the same device and things seemed to point out that Bas hit harder than the dude with the baseball bat.
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Post by fyahooanswers on Jun 26, 2012 12:54:08 GMT -5
i agree with keyboard warrior. i used to do tae kwon do i hated the forms i found them stupid. it taught me how to kick really well. but when we sparred there not trying to be all cocky but there was only one kid i couldn't have my way with. when i went to mma i thought i would be able to hold my own because of my tae kwon do. but not at all. i didn't know how to punch takedown do submission. for the first 6 months i would get ruined when we rolled. my coach doesn't let sparring happen until he feels you are ready. so i sparred my first time and got ruined but i didn't quit so my coach was impressed and the next week partnered me with kurt pellegrino and i had to take a week off because he worked me so bad. very humbling knowing kurt isn't even the best
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Post by youxia on Jun 26, 2012 13:39:35 GMT -5
lol is it just me or does leung ting sound exactly like uncle from those old jackie chan cartoons?
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 26, 2012 15:52:54 GMT -5
Kokoro, Bas Rutten stated on Sherdog that he himself disagreed with a lot of the results from that show. Pointed out that he'd have gotten better results than three of the four guys who demonstrated their kicks for comparison on the swinging bag simply because he's a bigger guy. Bas also pointed out that the reason the kicks all scored so high in the second test that he followed was because rather than the swinging bag the second lot of tests were made on a dummy strapped to a chair that was backed onto a steel block that wasn't going anywhere. It's also worth pointing out that the kick Bas used was labeled by the tech dude as an MMA kick. What it is is a pure Muay Thai kick, the only thing that could possibly be mixed about it is that Kyokushin Karate uses that same kick and Bas learned Kyokushin and Muay Thai from the same guy. The only reason I'm interested is because the bat test and Bas's kick were recorded on the same device and things seemed to point out that Bas hit harder than the dude with the baseball bat. Just one quick clarification, Bas' kick wasn't a pure Muay Thai kick. Bas likes to step out flat footed as if he were performing a Mawashi Geri and then swing his leg.
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Post by odee on Jun 27, 2012 9:20:28 GMT -5
Interesting. Both the Thai gym I go to and the Kyokushin one I used to attend taught it that way. I wonder if they saw the tutorial...
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 27, 2012 10:56:09 GMT -5
Seriously? Well the proper Thai method is to lift high on the ball of the foot like he describes in the video. Maybe your Muay Thai gym did some experimenting and came to the same conclusion as Bas.
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Post by lordbd on Jun 27, 2012 20:26:34 GMT -5
Just jumping in here, my Kru said that he considers Muay Thai i "traditional martial art" and I buy into that too. So it's the best of both worlds. Discuss.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 27, 2012 22:24:00 GMT -5
I'd call it both. Muay Thai has never been a style of bowing to pictures or anything like that. So in essence it really is a traditional style in that it's trained now the way it always was. But it also implements methods other "traditional" styles would not. So in a sense you can call it either.
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Post by odee on Jun 27, 2012 23:52:48 GMT -5
Not the same conclusion entirely, it's more of a foot-shift than Bas' step. I personally think Bas has too much telegraph in his kick but honestly unless you get clean out of the way of that thing you're going down. Blocking something like that would probably just add your arm to the broken list.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 28, 2012 23:38:15 GMT -5
You can be the one to let Bas know. I'll stay outta that one.
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Post by odee on Jun 28, 2012 23:47:45 GMT -5
Let Bas know that he telegraphs too much? He'd probably finish that conversation the exact same way I said it would end. Bas kicks, I drop my guard and lose my arm as well as my ribs. Like I said I don't think it matters to Bas, he's got the power to make blocking his kicks nearly pointless.
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Post by aaronj on Jul 1, 2012 14:07:55 GMT -5
both. It's all in HOW one trains that makes them good or not.
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Post by aaronj on Jul 1, 2012 14:52:05 GMT -5
You know what's funny about the 'formalities' in Karate today?? They didn't exist in the 1800's and even early 1900's. There was the normal social formality, but that is the culture of Okinawa. Karate was very much a free-flowing training tool to learn how to survive, and it came from Okinawa, not Japan. This is not saying that Japan didn't have some form of martial arts, it did, and for hundreds of years. However, what Japan had was not Karate. Funakoshi is called the father of karate in Japan, because he was the one to bring the Okinawan methodologies to Japan, when he went there to teach academics.
The training methods which are older than the assumed traditional martial arts (as kokoro pointed out) are vastly different from said traditional martial arts. It's a sad fact about Japan and the cultural need to regiment everything in life; especially when it comes to the most chaotic subject of fighting, but this is NOT the training methods of real traditional karate from the time of Itosu, Mabuni, and the others of their time and before.
It's right to say that 90% of the 'traditional' schools practice in a manner that is actually detrimental to a person's ability to fight and asses their own skills against an assumed attacker. I've been there and seen it as well. Back in the late 90's my dojo would take excursions to the other schools around the city and watch them work. We never spoke up or dropped any challenges. We simply observed. All of the schools in the city were horrible, and I am forever grateful for my garage dojo.
I hated people finding out about my martial arts training, especially if they were another martial artist. I hated it, because it always meant a challenge. Not that I wasn't up to some friendly sparring, but it was usually on the spot (I was almost never dressed appropriately) and the sparring would always escalate to a fight.
My dojo sparred every practice, and we students would get together even outside of the dojo to practice and spar. There was even a day set aside that we called 'go time', and was a sparring day for anybody who wished to participate. I've had bones broken, bruised, ligaments torn, and bled in what would be considered a 'traditional dojo'.
I voted both, because the results are all in how one trains.
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