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Post by kokoro on Jun 24, 2012 18:00:22 GMT -5
my point was about manipulating chi it was about chi being energy. some people can im not one of them thought. my point is what is the difference between your body energy that can be measured and chi. there both the same there both energy
there is a difference between really feeling it and tricking your self to think you feels it. and there is a lot of bs about it out there. i believe most of the people that claim to know chi, are clueless and as i said until you reach the point where it is not an energy where it could be chi or a self trick you wont get it. one point of that is were the energy no longer feels like tingling sensation but turns into heat at the point you think you just though you put your hand over a heat source. i reached the point once i couldnt even begin to tell you how to reach that point once, and it was the deciding factor for me to where this was real and no longer questionable.
i havent looked into it enough to present evidence to the point you will say without a shadow of a doubt it exists. i stopped practicing chi about 15 yrs go. for various reasons.
there are people far more qualified to explain and give better examples then me, unforcuently i dont think they came over to this forum
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 25, 2012 2:36:14 GMT -5
volt meters run on ac or dc electricity bit they won't detect wifi or microwave signals & you can try all day t it won't work even though they are energy. show me a wifi signal lighting up an ac or dc meter. or is a wifi signal not energy? The reason I said I've never seen a volt meter measure chi is because Kokoro said it can. And whether or not a signal is made up of energy has nothing to do with Chi. Basically your argument here is that energy exists in all sorts of forms. There's no arguing against that, but if that's your logic behind why Chi exists then it's not very strong considering how many times people claiming to be able to manipulate chi have been publicly embarrassed. And let's not forget what happened to Steven Seagal when he told Gene Lebell he couldn't be choked out because of how strong his Ki was.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 25, 2012 3:27:51 GMT -5
of course there are bullshitters out there but you can't compare them to the legit people and generalize...
projecting chi would require countless calories your average person cant consume and and some kind of intense mental focus that your average person can't attain.
and let me guess when this guy does it hes a fake and when everyone else fails they are fakes too right? lol
this guy start shows hundreds of degrees coming off his hands on a flir but he is a fraud because you can't do it?
here is a baseball bat bouncing of a dudes chest that goes against everything I learned in physics class.
but that still doesn't mean it's true but your videos don't mean it's false either.
you sound like you think we have mastered science and know all the secrets to the universe when in reality we probably know less than 1% and were always way behind because every time we find an answer we have 5 more questions.
to put it simply the technology to measure some forms of energy don't exist yet and until it does it will always be who knows because science can't disprove it either.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 25, 2012 4:37:46 GMT -5
Quit being such a hippy, Chef. Yes, all of those demonstrations are tricks and Chi is a load of crap. I've seen them all before.
It's sort of a two in one, but yes it can be replicated without the fake blood.
Don't be so quick to accept things like that as being real. Do some research, the video on Dynamo Jack may be well made, but that doesn't mean it isn't a bunch of garbage.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 25, 2012 4:43:02 GMT -5
Here's another one. I hate Leung Ting, he's a scumbag, but at least he isn't completely retarded.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 25, 2012 6:03:43 GMT -5
martial arts is bound by the laws of physics and there are a lot of frauds out there that use that as well. chi is energy as energy it is still bound by the laws of physics, it can not produce a shield to protect you. i didnt post videos because unless you truly feel chi you wont believe it, so there is no point. chi is used by blocking your opponents chi energy or shorting it out. i dont see it increasing the strength of your muscles. to me chi is more like this artical, energy which can be transferred to or converted to heat www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.htmlone of the instructors that was teaching yesterday was very into chi. his explanation of stance was based off of the elements and chi energy. the examples we went through was if your in a lock and in your opponent is in a fire stance you shift into a water stance to counter it. and he explained how it worked because of chi. and in doing this it actually worked. but my though is was it chi or body mechanics. it takes little for body mechanics to counter techniques. a slight twist re-aligns the muscles and bone structure. until i can rule out all other possibility i cant say that was a chi effect.
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Post by odee on Jun 25, 2012 7:10:53 GMT -5
I do Tai Chi whenever I feel I'll slow my gym-mates down with my injuries or strains and the teacher I most recently trained with said he doesn't teach Qi, Ki or Chi simply because he doesn't understand it, to the best of his knowledge Chi is a term applied to anything not fully understood, much like a shrug in our language. There's just so many half-arsed explainations floating about with regards to Chi, Qi and Ki that sometimes it's best to just ignore it or discount it. Personally I'm maybe too optimistic which is why I buy into the oxygen theory, something about that theory just sits so well with me. It doesn't defy logic and it credits what I learned from Tai Chi which was the benefits of better breathing and a calm mind. I know the human body is run and controlled by electrical impulses but for some reason I've never been able to swallow the idea that those charges can do any of the things claimed under the Chi tag. I have however seen people succeed where they had been failing in breaking attempts and power demonstrations just by taking the time to calm down and suck up a few decent breaths.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 25, 2012 10:02:04 GMT -5
I just noticed the bs no touch videos. until some one can knock me out without touching its bs. dimmak is not no touch it works on a different principal
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 25, 2012 14:13:48 GMT -5
I have no issues with your outlook on it, Odee.
As for feeling it, how the heck am I supposed to know if somebody "truly feeling Chi" is really just all in their mind or not? Keep in mind that I am a skeptic. To be a skeptic doesn't mean to simply discount everything all the time. It means to make sure that I'm being reasonably about things and not taking things at face value. There needs to be real evidence for Chi's existence. I've already said twice that the argument that one "needs to feel it to believe it" is not a valid argument. Until there's a way to examine Chi, then as a force it's really nothing.
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Post by odee on Jun 25, 2012 19:55:34 GMT -5
By the way, there are ways to measure WiFi. My laptop is telling me that the spot I'm sitting at has very little in spite of the sign above me calling it a "WiFi hotspot".
I'd like to see someone get an oxygen readout while manipulating Chi. Is there even a way of finding out how much oxygen a person sucks out of the air or how much air they draw in? It would make it pretty amusing to be able to accurately tell someone how much of 'your' air they're using.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 25, 2012 21:19:32 GMT -5
but you can't measure wifi with an ac/dc meter nor can you detect ac/dc on a fifi finder.
different energys work at different wavelengths and just because a laptop won't pickup radio signals for wifi doesn't mean the radio waves aren't energy waves.
there is just too much we don't know about in science because every time it proves something right it proves something else wrong which was why they couldn't figure it out to begin with because they believed something wrong.
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Post by odee on Jun 25, 2012 22:17:32 GMT -5
So you're trying to say they just haven't found a way to prove it yet.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 25, 2012 22:44:22 GMT -5
It's like totally real, man! You don't even know! All them crazy Kung Fu Asians can do it, man! Totally real, and you can't say I'm wrong because there's no way to prove it wrong, man!
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Post by odee on Jun 25, 2012 23:05:08 GMT -5
They've blocked the Bas video in Australia. I'm watching the Fight Science episode where he put the baseball bat to his teacher to demonstrate the Iron Shirt. Can somebody tell me the kind of impact Bas put on the impact dummy with his roundhouse kick? Something tells me it was a fair bit greater than what the chi guy managed with the bat.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 26, 2012 0:09:20 GMT -5
He set a record with that kick lol
got a link to the blocked vid?
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