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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 20, 2012 16:49:51 GMT -5
This is a kick that I see COUNTLESS variations of. For those who don't know, a Teep is a front push kick in Muay Thai. If you don't study Muay Thai but your style has a front push kick variant, feel free to post your variation.
I've seen the Teep executed with the ball of the foot and the heel. I've seen it done with a flat base and with a rise to the ball of the foot. I've seen it done straight forward and I've seen it modified to start as a straight kick but turn into an almost-side kick. The textbook way to do it is with the ball of the foot, the planted foot turned out and flat, and to stand as straight as possible while pushing your hips forward.
I personally kick with the heel because I've bent my toes on too many elbows. I perform the kick pretty texbook aside from that, maybe with more of a pivot out on the planted foot. That "unlocks" the hips so that I can put more power into the kick.
What's your variation?
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Post by odee on Jun 20, 2012 18:17:21 GMT -5
It varies from person to person and situation to situation as much as it varies from style to style. I perform mine as more of a stomping motion, still strike with the ball of my feet with a flat grounded foot, turned out unless my opponent is bigger than me which is when I go up on my toes.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jun 20, 2012 19:23:29 GMT -5
I believe you are referring to a kick that we call a front kick or thrust kick. We use the ball of the foot we doing this kick. I can see why you might be tempted to use the heel. But the ball of the foot is perfect fr getting right under the rib cage. Then you take away the attackers oxygen.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 20, 2012 21:27:02 GMT -5
My favourite is the chasse italien where your foot is pointing outside. I don't like to kick high so the legs are my main targets but I'll kick the bladder or liver if it's open. here's a good example of the chasse italien- www.youtube.com/watch?v=f51gmRAUXEs&t=0m38s
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 20, 2012 21:31:26 GMT -5
I have no idea why I haven't ever tried that variation. Usually I only teep the incoming leg with my left leg using the ball of the foot to stop the opponent from coming in. That just might be fun to try.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 20, 2012 22:06:26 GMT -5
that's why cross training is so useful lol I never seen it before I started sparring with a savatuer and he showed me a lot of sneaky things I never would have thought of.
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Post by the tank on Jun 21, 2012 9:15:07 GMT -5
I never thought of using that variation, I haven't been lucky enough to meet a savateur.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 21, 2012 22:04:47 GMT -5
yeah I heard it's not as popular in the states as it is here in canada but that's probably because half the people here are french lol
it's a lot like the wing chun front kick but comes at a different angle like more forward while wing chun goes upward.
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Post by talon on Jun 22, 2012 3:19:14 GMT -5
It depends on the opponent/attacker/target: for a smaller/shorter person I tend to extend the kicking leg higher, targeting the shoulder or head area with the ball of the foot {so as not to break bones or kill them} this is because they usually have a lower center & low a low strike doesn't affect them as much so I aim high to take them off balance. For a taller opponent I tend to use the blade or the heel & strike for the hip joint, inner thigh, side of the knee or belt line{bladder} area, which can unbalance or immobilise, them at least temporarily. For an opponent who is my size, I would use either a full force/whole body weight/fully committed kick with the flat of my foot to their stomach or midsection, so as to force them back to gain the advantage, or a short sharp snapping kick with the ball of the foot to the hip/inner thigh/side of the knee or bladder, just to let them know that I will hurt them if they continue they need to back off or they will get worse. If I am training someone, I teach them to use the whole bottom/flat of their foot until they get better technique. this technique is taught while emphasis on putting your hip & body weight behind it, while on the balls of your feet.
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Post by Possum on Jun 22, 2012 20:56:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't want to throw it with the heel. Perhaps, I'm not used to it. But as I attempt it while answering the question, I feel like my upper body is hunched and that my center of gravity is raised, and that I have too much forward momentum. That all adds up to an easier reversal than when done with the ball of toes.
Having said that, I also feel that I have more power with the heel, and if I were to strike something not expected to reverse me (eg, kicking down a door), then I would probably not use the ball of toes.
If I were kicking higher, then ball of toes gives me more reach, too.
I also think that if I were wearing boots (ankle is braced) then it would be harder to land the heel.
As a result, I would practice each method with the many considerations and then choose the appropriate one for me at the moment I needed it. I think.
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Post by rikashiku on Jun 22, 2012 21:31:02 GMT -5
I've never liked the teep because it just feels weak to me. If I learned Muay Thai first and then moved on to Taekwondo then I probably would have advanced better as a fighter but the more I look at Muay Thai the more I think its just very limited. A teep needs you to push yourself forward and draw power from one leg and push it into the other. You're using a lot of strength just to push your opponent away, this isn't very effective to me and its always very obvious to spot in a fight.
The front leg sidekick does everything the teep does, but it does it with 10 times the power with half the effort and risk. This is from my own experience with Muay Thai, I think it is very limited and lacks proper application as a martial art.
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Post by odee on Jun 22, 2012 21:47:04 GMT -5
Actually a good teep does far more than push an opponent backwards. I've been using them since I first achieved the flexibility in Kyokushin. I start matches with it because it's like landing a monster punch on your opponent. It's a lot quicker than a side-kick and easier to retract for another shot because it's a shorter movement with a more upright posture. I've been trying to work on one that the Muay Thai coach uses. He drops a kick into his opponent's midsection, retracts it as quickly as possible and kicks upwards at the jaw with his heel. A side-kick equivalent would be far slower and put you at greater risk of being clinched with your foot jammed between both bodies. Had that happen to me before, having a leg jammed sideways in a clinch will really mess up your day.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Jun 22, 2012 21:59:35 GMT -5
I was never a fan of the teep either and I havn't used it in a long time ever since I learned the chasse italien and the jun fan front thrust kick.
I always feel like I'm pushing off my target if I can't root my foot doing a teep where as the others I still get good force transfer.
And side kicks are relative since I do mine from a roundhouse it's very different than your standard ones.
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Post by yaoshuya on Jun 22, 2012 22:32:18 GMT -5
My variation of the teepis a push kick .
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Post by jakethecake on Jun 26, 2012 9:31:33 GMT -5
Teeps are foot jabs. Very useful tool for maintaining distance, intercepting an attack and in some cases even knocking the wind out of the opponent. The entire bottom of my foot is the striking surface. Sometimes the ball of the foot is used for maximum penetration. Sometimes it's a slapping stopping kick. A high teep to the face is sometimes executed like an axe kick with a hard slapping motion to the face. Other times you plant the foot and push. Still other times you can hollow out your foot to "catch" or "cup" a limb - for example to disrupting an opponent's kick or advance by teeping his thigh or his arm.
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