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Post by yaoshuya on Jun 22, 2012 1:05:12 GMT -5
There's alot of strikes and kicks , but which one is the most dangerous on the street , which one makes them bleed the most , which one ends the conflict , which one stops it , the rules on this are your fighting on the street 1 Vs 1
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jun 22, 2012 3:09:39 GMT -5
There are too many variables to determine which would cause more damage/
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Post by MA Ray on Jun 22, 2012 14:11:54 GMT -5
@ jwbulldogs: You're right, but I think he means if you get a clear shot with each individual strike, which one would cause the most damage in your opinion. Mine was the spinning back kick and side kick because first of all, your legs are more powerful than your arms, elbows, or knees. Second, those two kicks generate an incredible force from the momentum of the spinning of your hip. And the last reason I chose those two kicks are because they also strike the body with the heel rather than than other parts of the foot as the heel is the hardest part of your foot.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 22, 2012 14:54:56 GMT -5
first off the Muay Thai Knee ( While grabbing the head), this is not exclusive to muay thai, this is also in karate, in the kata pinan shodan or heian nidan
there are a number of strikes as everyone knows. the most power-fullest would depend upon the muscle group most prominent in the strike, which would be the leg muscles, the second factor would be the one you can get your hip into the most. unfortunately i cant find one of my books with all these stats in it other wise i would reference this book, but if i remember this correctly it should be side kick
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 22, 2012 18:51:46 GMT -5
I went with the two I can perform best. Muay Thai Knee and Round House Kick with the shin. Although I don't really land it often, when it does land it's got force. My knees are my toughest strikes, though.
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Post by odee on Jun 22, 2012 20:47:06 GMT -5
So much variety in opinion. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Personally I usually start matches with a rushing front kick at my opponent's solar plexus. Works well in the ring because a lot of people have this notion of sizing their opponent up before fighting. For my part I'm too damn impatient to wait for my opponent to show their stuff. I go in and find out.
I don't believe that it's the most deadly kick but when rules are thrown out I belive modifying the lower thigh kick into a knee breaker is the fastest way to put an end to things.
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Post by talon on Jun 22, 2012 22:17:39 GMT -5
Any strike that contacts with the head will cause the most, as your brain controls everything, it the most vulnerable to impact damage & your head bleeds the most. Not to mention eyes, airways/mouth/nasal passage, temple, nape of neck{where spine meets the head} etc. Not to mention the damage to you if you stuff it up & hit it wrong eg/broken hand/foot/shin etc
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Post by yaoshuya on Jun 22, 2012 22:30:42 GMT -5
kokoro I didnt know karate had clinching in it.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jun 23, 2012 4:16:27 GMT -5
Generally I wold have said a side kick or a back kick.
But I thought about it. I realize that my strongest kick may not be your strongest kick. I know some people that have very strong round house kicks, but their side kick needs a lot of work. There are black belt that still do a side kick like a round house.
Yes karate does have clinching. grappling, throws, chokes, knee strikes, elbows, etc. It is just not allowed in most tournaments.
There is a Pr AM Shorin Ryu Tournament this Saturday. They do allow for grabbing a striking and sweeps and then striking in its tournament. I don't go to tournament often, but the last time I saw that. Some people didn't know the rules and other did took advantage of being able to grab or do a take down and then strike for the point. Those that didn't train like this were at a disadvantage. They thought once you hit the ground the ref stops it and you go back to you starting point to begin again. They had no idea a strike was coming within a second. They were so used to other karate rules. ALso in this tournament in the adult division groin strikes are legal!
I have a couple of students that want to go. So I'll be there. I've already told my students don't worry about excessive contact. That is why you have on gloves and feet protection. If they disqualify you for hotting too hard I'll get you a trophy. This is not table tennis. It's karate.
I don't understand excessive contact with a round house to the chest. We had a female student about 12 or 13. They had her fighting against boys. She hit the guy with a good round house. The disqualified her for excessive contact. Nothing was broken. There was no intent to harm. But this is how we train. Good technique will give you good power. She kicked him and he went down. She has hit him a few times already and he didn't want no parts of her. After her 1st tournament they always had her fight boys.
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Post by kokoro on Jun 23, 2012 5:00:15 GMT -5
karate has a lot of techniques as jw listed. but people get hung up on tournament rules, and drop the other techniques. they drop the grappling because its not used in tournaments and the clinching as well as the chocks, knees and elbows, ridge hands, hooks and upper cuts, etc.
i have trained in so many different styles i lost track. there are few techniques from other styles like muay thai, kung fu, arnis, jujutsu, etc that i have not seen in karate kata. with the exception of the various tkd kicks.
okinawa was a trading hub in asia and had many ships dock there from all over asia. as well as martial artist from these various countries, which also helped in the influence of karate in a smaller way then the chinese. the round house kick is a perfect example it is believed that came from muay thai. the side kick as far as i know wasn't added into karate until it reached japan in the 1900's.
karate has a lot of techniques in it that people dont realist, all they see is kick and punch. it is far more vast and it is all in kata.
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Post by kane on Jun 23, 2012 5:18:06 GMT -5
no doubt, easily Yup Chaggi !!
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Post by MA Ray on Jun 23, 2012 13:03:34 GMT -5
Agree Kane. I chose side kick and spinning back kick.
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Post by Glutton4Punishment on Jun 23, 2012 14:37:52 GMT -5
The reason I didn't pick the side or back kick at all is not because they don't have power. They're EXTREMELY strong kicks. But the reason I didn't pick them is because they don't end fights very often. They tend to work very well for setting up fight ending attacks and they can hurt like hell, but it's rare to see a side or back kick end a fight.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Jun 24, 2012 0:42:34 GMT -5
Oh really Glutton?
This is what is missing in competitions, but with good reason too might I add. Every strike/kick in martial arts has a specific target. But in competition those targets are removed and replaced with safer targets.
A well place side kick will injure an attacker and end the threat. You can place a side kick in the lower rib and easily break a few ribs and take away their ability to breathe. The threat has ended. This same kick can go to the knee joint and cripple the attacker. Again the threat has ended.
I know that most people think of Aikido as being too passive. But many people don't understand the art unless they have trained in for a number of years and eve then some of them don't get it. Some get it right away. We are all different. But there is a throw in aikido called shihonage (four directional throw). This throw was meant to break the neck of the attacker. It is one of the most dangerous throws taught in aikido. It is a white belt throw. Most school have had to alter how they use it to keep from injuring their training partners. But of course every now and then someone get too excited with the throw or uke doesn't go with the throw and end up in the hospital. This throw is also in the kata pinan sandan. Most people don't know it's there.
Oh I'm sorry I started to talk about grappling too. But you get the gist.
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Post by odee on Jun 24, 2012 3:48:52 GMT -5
See that's where you're wrong Bulldogs. People do get hit with spinning back kicks and other rib breaking kicks in Muay Thai and Kyokushin tournaments they're a combination of encouraged targets and attacks and they mess with your ability to breathe. The difference is the fact that broken ribs don't end the fight for those guys like they might with your average Joe on the street, martial artists can and will fight on through them because they're trained to be stubborn like that. Kicks to the solar plexus do end fights but there are kicks like Teeps and Mae Geri that have more accuracy in hitting that target and less potential risk. The risk of trying to hit a competitive Muay Thai, Kyokushin or MMA student with spinning back kicks outweighs the chance of success and possible reward. By that I mean there is more chance of a fighter of equal skill to your own grabbing your leg and locking you in a really unstable clinch or just sweeping you and dropping you in a heap on the floor then there is of you landing the kick and putting an equal or better fighter out of the fight. That's why they rarely happen let alone end competitive fights. Risk and Reward.
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