Chef Samurai
Global Moderator
Canadian Catch Wrestling
Posts: 843
|
Post by Chef Samurai on Dec 15, 2012 19:19:40 GMT -5
Too bad I've only fought 2 competitions that allowed them so I've never "won" with one per say but in self-defence it's always been an invaluable tool.
I'm a big fan but it's sad our society thinks were little kids and has to pad everything to make it safe for us to do.
|
|
odee
Global Moderator
Kyokushin 10 years - Brazilian Jujitsu 3 years - Muay Thai 2 years.
Posts: 1,286
|
Post by odee on Dec 16, 2012 4:34:43 GMT -5
That's a fact. But since nobody wants to take responsibility everyone has to cover their ass.
|
|
KyKarateka
Global Moderator
Kyokushin & Judo
Posts: 233
|
Post by KyKarateka on May 2, 2013 0:23:20 GMT -5
Traditionalists do make excuses, if they enter the ring then they except the fact that they may be at a disadvantage with the rules. But when they lose they try to justify their loss with horrible said excuses, this is where I have a problem. When people lose they should accept the loss, find their weak point and strengthen it. Not try to prove to everyone the reason they lost.
That is truly where traditionalists and modernists differ, as much as I believe it is up the fighter these two groups have different attitudes toward martial arts. Not all traditionalists are like this though, every person is unique but it seems to me the large sum of traditionalists make excuses instead of honing their skills to become better.
|
|
odee
Global Moderator
Kyokushin 10 years - Brazilian Jujitsu 3 years - Muay Thai 2 years.
Posts: 1,286
|
Post by odee on May 2, 2013 23:25:03 GMT -5
You asked before if Kyokushin is a traditional martial art or a modern one. Think about how Kyokushin students do in competitions and how they respond when things don't go their way.
|
|
KyKarateka
Global Moderator
Kyokushin & Judo
Posts: 233
|
Post by KyKarateka on May 3, 2013 18:12:10 GMT -5
I didn't ask the question, I just posted in it.
Also, not all Kyokushin students are the same people. Everyone is different, just because some people take the same martial art, it doesn't mean they're all the same type of people.
|
|
odee
Global Moderator
Kyokushin 10 years - Brazilian Jujitsu 3 years - Muay Thai 2 years.
Posts: 1,286
|
Post by odee on May 4, 2013 6:46:50 GMT -5
This is a point. Individualism is a major factor but you just blanketed traditional and modern stylists, so I'm asking you to blanket a single style.
|
|
KyKarateka
Global Moderator
Kyokushin & Judo
Posts: 233
|
Post by KyKarateka on May 4, 2013 17:45:45 GMT -5
That is because the original post had already blanketed MMA and TMA. If we were to blanket a single style it would hardly be different than blanketing TMA's all together.
|
|
odee
Global Moderator
Kyokushin 10 years - Brazilian Jujitsu 3 years - Muay Thai 2 years.
Posts: 1,286
|
Post by odee on May 4, 2013 19:45:33 GMT -5
Yes and no. The vast majority of schools under a single style name will hold a great number of similarities. The majority of Ninjutsu schools for example are McDojos. The majority of Muay Thai schools practice full-contact sparring. The majority of Tai Chi schools don't claim to teach self defense.
|
|
KyKarateka
Global Moderator
Kyokushin & Judo
Posts: 233
|
Post by KyKarateka on May 5, 2013 14:08:53 GMT -5
Majority but not all, simply because a large portion of school are taught one way doesn't mean they all are.
Styles do retain similarities between techniques and training methods but not all are the same, even within the same organization. That is why I believe the instructor is the most important factor in determining a fighter's success.
This leads us back to the original topic, traditionalists make excuses and blame rules when their problem lays in their training methods. Not their style.
|
|
odee
Global Moderator
Kyokushin 10 years - Brazilian Jujitsu 3 years - Muay Thai 2 years.
Posts: 1,286
|
Post by odee on May 6, 2013 2:42:07 GMT -5
I think I pointed out on a few occasions that I don't believe most "traditionalists" train in a traditional manner. To me traditional training is learning by doing, trial and painful, painful error. You learn to fight by fighting and if you don't learn fast enough you spend time on the injured list.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 21:47:14 GMT -5
This thread gave me a good laugh. It's true, many techniques in traditional styles look good in demonstrations and all but when you try to apply them in real life, they simply don't work or have a high chance of being successful. I think traditional styles shouldn't and never should be for competition. If it's like, for example Karate, Taekwondo, Tang Soo Do, Hapkido etc, look at the results of them in competition. In my opinion, those comps look HORRIBLE. With that being said, the reason why you think TMA "suck" is because they are being used in a ring or used in competition and that's not what they're supposed to be for. It's for killing (back then), it's for your spirit, it's to express yourself. There's a reason Sanda is around.
|
|
|
Post by Glutton4Punishment on May 6, 2013 23:42:29 GMT -5
Karate and Taekwondo have both held up well in K1 for the most part. It really comes down to HOW you train more so than WHAT you train.
|
|
odee
Global Moderator
Kyokushin 10 years - Brazilian Jujitsu 3 years - Muay Thai 2 years.
Posts: 1,286
|
Post by odee on May 7, 2013 2:48:49 GMT -5
A lot of people forget that K1 was founded by a Karate organization, until the mid 90s when people talked about "Kickboxers" they were usually talking about Karateka and TaeKwanDo students. It was only after the UFC went mainstream that Muay Thai began to become the generic image of kickboxing.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 2:51:48 GMT -5
I know Karate has done well in K-1.......can you tell me what Taekwondo fighters have done well in K-1....I know none and would love to know
|
|
odee
Global Moderator
Kyokushin 10 years - Brazilian Jujitsu 3 years - Muay Thai 2 years.
Posts: 1,286
|
Post by odee on May 7, 2013 6:02:51 GMT -5
I don't know about TKD in K1 but in American Kickboxing Chuck Norris comes quickly to mind. Allen Steen and Lewis Ray (Skipper) Mullins follow after. I think that some of Taekwondo's internal leadership issues have made most of the organisations really introverted and that has hurt them. They simply don't allow students to compete outside of their own events. That's why fighters like Bas Rutten have left and joined schools that tend to accept challenges from other styles and organisations.
|
|