Chef Samurai
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Post by Chef Samurai on Sept 8, 2012 14:40:24 GMT -5
I'll use the impact. Rattle the brain so it's harder for them to think, then take advantage. Hopefully cause brain damage or at least break their jaw & some teeth in case their is no judge to plea with lol
straight punches are great at causing rips & tears on the face and correct me if I'm wrong but aren;t face punches illegal in kyokushin competition because it shreds peoples faces up and makes their faces a bloody mess and mas oyama didn't want that?
@jw- if your going to go all out why stop at taking their eye out and not full out kill them so they cant come after you with a gun for maiming them?
If someone maimed me I would come after them with a gun or maybe even board their house up and set it on fire or something
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odee
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Post by odee on Sept 8, 2012 17:18:23 GMT -5
They're illegal in knockdown competition for just that very reason so I didn't use them in knockdown competitions. They are perfectly legal in the Kyokushin kickboxing rules, Muay Thai kickboxing rules and MMA rules so I use them there and since they're harder to mess up than straight shots at the head I use them when I have to get involved in the bouncer duties as well.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Sept 10, 2012 11:34:26 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain that if they can't see they aren't going to come after me. However, I'm not against using lethal force if that is what it takes to end the threat. I'm not talking about fighting because I'm mad, had a disagreement, or because someone threatened me. I can walk away from those things were in my past I might not have walked away.
I don't know how well it will work m trying to convince a judge I don't have enough skill so I had to keep beating them would work. Id rater go with the defense I feared for my life. I thought they were going to kill me, my family, etc. I believe that will hold up better in court.
I know a guy that I used to work with. He was a quiet guy that didn't bother anyone. He was friendly. When he was about to leave where we worked he told us about the opening since it was a better paying job than what we were doing. Well one day I ran into him in jail. I was there for a warrant on a ticket that I had paid an attorney to fix for me. Somehow my attorney dropped the ball. He was working when I saw him. I posted bond and was making a call for someone to pick me up. We spoke and he told me that he was locked up and given 6 years or something like that. He was attacked by 3 guys trying to rib him. He took a crow bar from them and beat the crap out of them. His argument was it was self defense. It might have started out as self defense, but I believe it turned into assault. Probably because he kept beating them. He didn't know when to stop. He didn't have enough skill or any skill that I know about. The law in the US doesn't care if you don't know when to stop. Ignorance is not a legal defense of the law.
Had he just bust the guys head and walked away and called the police he would have been better off.. But he beat the crap out of them from what he told me. He thinks it was justifiable since it was 3 of them and one of him and they were trying to rob him.
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Post by odee on Sept 10, 2012 15:59:50 GMT -5
His lawyer dropped the ball as well. Personally I'd have claimed adrenaline overload.
Why did I keep hitting him? "I've never been mugged/attacked/group attacked before and I was so scared and so far gone on adrenaline at that point that I considered anything that moved to be a threat."
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Post by cheetah on Sept 12, 2012 12:13:46 GMT -5
@jwb - that's a crazy story. Especially since there were 3 of them. Legally if three guys attack you with crowbars, you can use deadly force with a handgun. It's called "disparity of force" since one person cannot normally take on 3, you can up the level of engagement to defend yourself. Odee is right, that guy's lawyer dropped the ball.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Sept 12, 2012 19:59:38 GMT -5
I don't know if he had a lawyer or a PD (prison director) or is the supposed to be a public defender. Really the same thing. I can't say they dropped the ball. Adrenaline overload will not fly as a defense for overstepping self defense into assault with a deadly weapon. He would have been better off if he had a gun and shot them. That would be reasonable force. But if the man is down and you continue to beat him it's assault. I'm sure adrenaline was a factor. I believe he was in rage. But he wasn't in fear for his life while beating the guys when he could have left and got help. Actually he would have gotten into trouble for a gun back then. That was before the right to carry passed.
I remember voting against the right to carry twice. It passed on the 2nd time anyway. Today I'm glad I can carry and I do carry.
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Post by cheetah on Sept 13, 2012 11:49:06 GMT -5
You and me both brother.
I guess you're right. Shooting during the attack is more justifiable than continuing to beat someone after he is down and the threat is over.
BTW, had any Imo's or Lion's Choice lately? I lived in STL for 6 years and I miss them.
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Post by rollingrock128 on Sept 13, 2012 20:12:25 GMT -5
damn my thread really took off from when i saw it last. i feel good about myself.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Sept 13, 2012 21:19:54 GMT -5
I had to cut back on the Imos. I was eating it too often. But it is my favorite Pizza. It's been a few months since I had any Lions Choice, but talking about it and Imos is making my hungry...LOL
There is a little small place that sales pizza that taste just like Imos. They are a little cheaper most of the time. It's called Ba Da Bing. They buy their ingredients from Imos. But I end up with Imos more. Their number is stored on my phone. LOL
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Post by odee on Sept 14, 2012 1:10:19 GMT -5
Move to Australia, people have escaped murder charges because they were drunk. Adrenaline overload is an even better excuse because it isn't self inflicted.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Sept 15, 2012 1:50:03 GMT -5
LOL@ Odee
That won't help me since I stopped drinking more than 15 years ago. I didn't drink much before then so it was easy for me to give that up.
I know women have gotten off charges because of PMS. That one lady got off from cutting off that man's penis and if I remember correctly she left the home with it and threw it out of the window off some free way into a field. Then she called the police and told them what she had done. The police search the field and found his penis. I know I wouldn't want to be that officer.
I couldn't believe she wasn't found guilty of something. Lorena Bobbitt
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Post by odee on Sept 15, 2012 18:23:54 GMT -5
I didn't mean it would be good for you because you're a drunk, I meant the adrenaline overload excuse works because any mind altered state will get sympathy.
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Post by jwbulldogs on Sept 17, 2012 1:42:38 GMT -5
Aha,
That's something to consider....lol
i live in a state that has the Castle Law. I can draw my weapon and end the threat to protect my home/car. I think I'm okay. I try my best to avoid other situation where I need to use force. I've grown up a lot over the years. I have a red dot laser on my handguns that i carry. My Mossberg 500 for home protection just need to point and shoot. But I doubt if I ever need to use it as my huge presa canarios in my home will alert any would be intruder this is the wrong house. They will go down the street to a neighbors.
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Post by Chef Samurai on Sept 17, 2012 11:37:43 GMT -5
my ultimate weapon system would be a home made missile launcher on the back of a 4x4 pickup truck.
missiles are just too damn easy to make if you ever messed with hobby rockets & understand modern technology & how explosives work.
too bad they are highly illegal which means making it is something I'll never be able to do even if it would help defend me better than any gun or knife but they don't wan;t me to be able to defend myself from an army I guess
I hope I don't sound crazy because re reading this post I even think I sound kinda looney now lol
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Post by odee on Sept 17, 2012 17:33:44 GMT -5
You're a nutter Chef. Actually I think laws like that are half the reason our technology progression has been slowed. The government labs didn't make the car, the plane or the radio, they were made by common people who messed around with things that are now considered illegal, freaking bubble wrap laws.
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